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| − | http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/BioShock_Speed_Run
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| − | ... to this wiki. Sections marked with a * require updating to the latest techniques.
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| − | = Tricks/Glitches =
| + | Note that a lot of the links are broken. It's because they're old. They're to the old forum software, not the new stuff. |
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| − | == Radio Skipping ==
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| − | Some events are triggered when a radio message stops playing. Instead of waiting for them to finish normally, you can stop them playing by selecting another message from the message archive and this will trigger the event. ("radio skip")
| + | = Miscellaneous BioShock Notes = |
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| − | If you have several radio messages queued up, you can speed the queue up by playing a shorter one than the one currently playing. Then the next message will play as soon as the shorter message finishes.
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| − | === Diary Skipping === | + | |
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| − | Some triggers wait just until there isn't a radio message playing to fire. If you start an Audio Diary playing, these triggers will be able to fire as if all your queued radio messages had finished. ("diary skip")
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| − | Diary skipping is generally better, if you can pull it off. Triggered radio messages important to the plot will interrupt any diary message. The only time you don't want to do a diary skip is when it's the last message and you'd have to wait for the diary to finish for the next trigger. Diaries tend to take a long time.
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| − | I didn't want to take the bit above out yet because perhaps I'm mistaken, or perhaps there's a console/pc version difference, but as far as I can see, every single trigger in the game fires normally when a diary is playing. The only time when you want to use a radio skip instead of a diary skip is when you need to START a radio message playing (because it needs to play to fire a trigger), which is ALREADY in the radio queue (that is, the backlog of radio messages which have ALREADY been triggered. If there's a sequence of radio messages, they probably won't all be in the queue at once, because each one's completion or cancellation will trigger the next). This is because QUEUED radio messages WON'T interrupt a playing message, but NEWLY TRIGGERED radio messages WILL interrupt a playing audio diary when triggered (but not, usually, a playing radio message).
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| − | === Notes ===
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| − | "I suspect you'll have to identify the shortest radio message there is on each level (there might even be levels where you'll want to go out of your way to acquire a really short message, though I doubt it) and then when you get a big dialogue build up, start that short message playing every time a new message starts. That way, the next message in the queue will only have to wait for a short message to finish before playing, rather than for the (long) message that was in the queue before it.
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| − | Alternatively, I haven't checked whether radio messages that get queued up are added to the message archive before they start to play. If they are, you might be able to manually select a trigger message to start it playing and fire its trigger instead of waiting for it to play automatically. This too warrants research.
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| − | I also think - I'm not sure about this - that when you start an audio diary playing manually, it will finish before radio messages that are already queued start to play, BUT any new radio message will interrupt it. This means that when you have a long queue of radio messages but really need to play one that you're just about to get, you could interrupt the queue by starting a diary playing and then trigger the radio message you need, and because it interrupts the diary it will automatically skip the radio queue. If my observations are right." - ExplodingCabbage [http://speeddemosarchive.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=consoles_newer;action=display;num=1187733768;start=60#66]
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| − | === Another Theory ===
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| − | I *think* each event and audio message is marked with flags. These flags can say stuff like:
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| − | * Trigger when the player steps in an area, or looks at an entity.
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| − | * Wait for any radio messages to complete (eg the "Ah, That's Better" Cohen speech and the "Find the Quadtych" goal completion in Fort Frolic)
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| − | * Go to the top/back of the queue.
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| − | * Run X seconds after this other event.
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| − | * Wait for these other events to start/complete.
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| − | * Clear the event queue, first.
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| − | Fort Frolic, for example, is just a very complicated arrangement of these flags on events. Certain events will queue up; certain events get triggered at the end of other events; certain other events will clear the queue; certain radio events take forever. Speed running it is just a matter of knowing the graph of trigger relationships, what triggers what, when a clearing event is coming up, and when something's gonna wait for everything to play.
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| − | === An Explanation of Letting the Radio Queue Play ===
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| − | Every instance of "Wait for all radio messages" I've seen so far has been a situation where the player is between two major events, the player is trapped, anyhow, and the player must experience both events in order to know what to do:
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| − | * The "Ah, that's better" speech which introduces you to Cohen is preceded by Atlas' message that gets jammed (explaining why you don't hear from him later). You're trapped in the metro for that time.
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| − | * The "Find the quadtych" goal is preceded by Cohen explaining how you fit in to his quadtych plan. You're trapped in the Atrium.
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| − | * The two speeches by Atlas/Fontaine at the end of Rapture Central Control are critical. They even hold up leaving the level if the second one isn't done. You're trapped in Ryan's office.
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| − | * Tenenbaum's "Go to Suchong's flat" tells you what you're doing that level, and the little girl demonstrates the special doors so you won't be surprised when you see them later. You're trapped in the safe house.
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| − | It's all by careful design. The game designers know, plot-wise, the player must hear these two messages, so they trap the player and make the messages hard to interrupt. I think the only reason we *can* interrupt the messages is that the UI would be frustrating otherwise - accessible one moment, inaccessible the next.
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| − | == Death Warping ==
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| − | === Reasoning ===
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| − | "Of course for a speed run you'll be doing a lot of death warps. The Vita Chambers make it way too easy to skip so much content on return trips. Kill yourself when you need to go back to Fountaine's Fisheries after getting the camera, you'll end up right outside Peach's door. Goad the Big Daddy to kill you outside Langhorn's office in Arcadia you'll end up waaaaaaay back at the Gatherer's Garden outside Rolling Hills. Lots of potential in that regard. " -- Psychochild
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| − | Since death brings almost no penalty in BioShock, and death teleports you to the nearest active Vita-Chamber, it's sometimes faster to die than to run a given path.
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| − | It also lets you skip cut scenes and triggers (eg in the Medical Pavilion).
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| − | === Preferred Suicide Methods ===
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| − | TODO: Check accuracy
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| − | In order from fastest to slowest.
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| − | *Falling Damage (very rarely an option)
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| − | *Fragmentation Grenades and/or Heat Seeking Rockets (reload canceled)
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| − | *Trap Bolts (reload canceled)
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| − | *Proximity Mines (reload canceled), triggered with a pistol round
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| − | *Electrobolt in water
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| − | *Standing in fire
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| − | (On Hard, you also go down pretty quickly against a Big Daddy.)
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| − | == Trigger Avoidance ==
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| − | === Floor Triggers ===
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| − | A lot of events are triggered when the player walks on a certain area of floor. In rare occasions, you can avoid those triggers by walking in exactly the right spot.
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| − | === Look Triggers ===
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| − | BioShock has a few enemies that activate when you look at them - eg Hector Rodriguez and Dr. Steinman (in his first appearance). You can avoid activating them by not looking, which can be handy.
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| − | It seems like it acts roughly like taking a picture. You have to have them somewhat centered and close for it to trigger. I'd say it's like a "C" picture.
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| − | == Melting Ice ==
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| − | Ice is used to block the player at several points. You're supposed to use Incinerate or napalm to melt it, but there are other methods.
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| − | You can use exploding buck. This is particularly handy after the Peach battle, because there's some on a corpse in the spider slicer's lair right outside Peach's.
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| − | You can also use ordinary fire. This can be transferred from standing flames, flames caused by explosions, or something already alight. But the flames from nitro splicer's, turret's, and security bot's deaths aren't real - they're just graphical.
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| − | There's a difficult way of using ordinary fire to melt the ice in the Medical basement. This avoids having to get Incinerate.
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| − | == Hacking Tricks ==
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| − | We tend to use autohacks and buyouts a lot, but when you absolutely must hack:
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| − | "I've just read the thread and are watching the run as far as I got myself. I haven't read it here and it's not used in your run, but you can increase the flow speed while hacking by simply right clicking which should shave off a few frames. If you need to hack later, it might add up." -- xeen
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| − | Don't forget to freeze the thing you're hacking, too, if you can
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| − | == Weapon Tricks ==
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| − | "there's a trick to shoot the crossbow and the grenade launcher faster: shoot, switch to plasmids to skip the reloading/recoil animation and then just switch back to weapons and shoot again." - tri-Ace_Fanboy
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| − | Works on the shotgun, too - Marty81
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| − | == Boosted Jumping ==
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| − | "I've been looking for glitches in the demo of this game and I've found a pretty cool glitch that I'm almost 100% positive will be useful to a speed run of this game.
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| − | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i44GNWq6ERw
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| − | It's kind of like the Pressure Jump with the baby stroller glitch:
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| − | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgsFyiYv9RY "
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| − | -- fluffy kitten
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| − | === Horizontal Jumps ===
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| − | They're easier.
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| − | Put an ashtray flush - and I do mean *flush* - against a flat wall. Jump onto the middle of the ashtray. You'll get a huge horizontal impulse in the direction you jumped.
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| − | Note that it doesn't give a vertical impulse, only horizontal. You're gonna hit the ground again real soon unless the ground falls away from there.
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| − | === Vertical Jumps ===
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| − | Haven't been able to replicate the video's.
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| − | = Level by Level =
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| − | == The Crash Site ==
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| − | === Normal Progression ===
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| − | Swim towards the stairs.
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| − | You can go right through the fire. You will not be damaged, because you
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| − | have no health bar. You will sound damaged tho.
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| − | Enter the Lighthouse.
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| − | You can still move even tho the lights are off (of course).
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| − | Descend towards the bathysphere and board it.
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| − | It's slightly faster taking the right (counterclockwise) stairs down to the
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| − | bathysphere, because you don't have to clear the door.
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| − | Watch the video, see Rapture go by, listen to Johnny and Atlas talk. These are all ambient audio, not radio messages, so you can't skip them.
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| − | === Notes ===
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| − | This is technically a different level than "Welcome to Rapture" - different saved game names, different load screen (though the load screen calls it "BioShock" where the saved game calls it "The Crash Site").
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| − | Not much to do here.
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| − | == Welcome to Rapture* ==
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| − | === Vita-chambers ===
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| − | # Right outside the Bathysphere
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| − | # First room after Electro Bolt
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| − | # Right outside the Footlight Theater
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| − | # In the lobby/trap between Medical and Neptune's Bounty
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| − | === Normal Progression ===
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| − | ====The Bathysphere to Kashmir Restaurant====
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| − | Leave the bathysphere, listen to Atlas' directions, watch the spider get chased off, pick up the wrench.
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| − | * "Move to higher ground" - let play
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| − | * "Smile for the camera" - let play
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| − | * "Draw her out" - let play
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| − | * "Smile for the camera" - let play (short)
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| − | * "Find a weapon" - '''radio skip''' with "Smile for the camera" (*slightly*
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| − | Stand between the debris and the wrench, then spin quickly once you pick up the
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| − | wrench to save a half a second.
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| − | Kill the thuggish splicer, go up and get Electrobolt 1, watch the cut scenes.
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| − | You have to kill that first splicer; otherwise the debris blocks you from
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| − | going up and getting Electrobolt 1.
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| − | TODO: Any tricky way to skip the cut scenes? :)
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| − | Zap the door, pass the plane wreckage, and battle the two thuggish splicers.
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| − | The first splicer is triggered when you descent the small staircase to the
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| − | So, enter, back down the stairs to the right until he's triggered, and head
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| − | back towards the other room. Once he's dead, the 2nd one spawns at the door
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| − | out. It might be fastest just to zap and move around him (if you angle it
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| − | right). (Side note: these dudes stay zapped for a VERY long time.)
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| − | See flaming dude, use the elevator, listen to Atlas spin a tale about his family, see the momma splicer.
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| − | TODO: any way to use that neat jumping trick to skip the elevator ride here?
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| − | Ignore the flaming dude and the momma splicer - just grab the gun on the way
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| − | But have the wrench equipped going into the Footlight so you can knock the
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| − | ====Footlight Theater to Medical====
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| − | Drop down to Footlight, watch the "cut scene".
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| − | 360 only: * "Lower Weapon" - let play.* "Little Sisters" - radio skip with any message as soon as you drop down the broken stair.The splicer will come out as soon as you begin playing the new message.* Watch the splicer get pwned (waits for "Little Sisters")* "Big Daddy" - let playNote: Tremalkinger was unable to replicate this on the PC version. The map won't come up once Atlas asks you to lower your weapon.
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| − | Make you way to the lobby between Medical and Neptune's, trigger the trap, fight the 5 splicers.
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| − | You must kill the splicers before Atlas will open the gate out of the trap. This includes one that spawns near the bathrooms and two waves of Leadheads and Thugs. Immediately after triggering the trap, run back toward the middle of the room and look into the far bathroom. You should reach it just in time to watch the splicer spawn. Kill that one then just zap the two waves of splicers as they land in the water, standing as far under the balcony as possible where you can still see the water so the non-spawning splicers don't shoot you while you wait.
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| − | Listen Atlas' speech, head to Medical.
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| − | You can skip Ryan's and Atlas's speeches by avoiding the trigger in that room. The non-trigger path is along the far wall as you enter (the one with the closed gate on it). The area of the floor between the gates is clear, so feel free to waltz right across the room to the closed gate. The tightestspot is the door frame of the closed gate, which you must hug, or you'll hit the trigger. Make the first step, and you're in. (It warrants some practice.)You could also skip Atlas's "Andrew Ryan" with "Electro Bolt in Water", butthere's no point. Ryan's speech is unskippable and long. Use the non-triggerpath instead.
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| − | === Useful Death Warps ===
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| − | None. All the Vita-Chambers are placed "upstream" from where you want to go.
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| − | Note that you're invincible between getting Electrobolt 1 and the battle with the 2 thuggish splicers.
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| − | === Notes ===
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| − | Atlas' message ANDREW RYAN, which controls the trigger to open the gate to the Medical Pavilion, does not get affected by the Radio Skip trick. (TODO: diary skip, tho?)
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| − | Cauldrath's notes on his first run: [http://speeddemosarchive.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=consoles_newer;action=display;num=1187733768;start=0#14]
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| − | == Medical Pavilion ==
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| − | == Neptune's Bounty ==
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| − | == Smuggler's Hideout ==
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| − | == Arcadia 1 ==
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| − | == Farmer's Market ==
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| − | == Arcadia 2 ==
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| − | == Fort Frolic ==
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| − | == Hephaestus ==
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| − | == Rapture Central Control ==
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| − | == Olympic Heights ==
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| − | == Apollo Square ==
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| − | == Point Prometheus ==
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| − | == Proving Grounds ==
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| − | == Fontaine ==
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| − | = Misc =
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| | == PC vs 360 == | | == PC vs 360 == |
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| | === Known Differences === | | === Known Differences === |
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| − | * The 360 doesn't let you crouch at full speed. It was though that you couldn't use the Smugglers Hideout skip on the 360 because of this, but you still can. | + | * The 360 doesn't let you crouch at full speed. It was thought that you couldn't use the Smugglers Hideout skip on the 360 because of this, but you still can. |
| | * Audio skipping is much faster on the 360 controller, just because of the UI controls. | | * Audio skipping is much faster on the 360 controller, just because of the UI controls. |
| | * The rules for accessing radio messages are different. In the PC version, you can't during certain scenes. While on the 360, you can. (eg the Footlight Theater.) This means the 360 can radio skip things the PC can't. | | * The rules for accessing radio messages are different. In the PC version, you can't during certain scenes. While on the 360, you can. (eg the Footlight Theater.) This means the 360 can radio skip things the PC can't. |
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| | [[Category:PC]] | | [[Category:PC]] |
| | [[Category:Xbox 360]] | | [[Category:Xbox 360]] |
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| | [[Category:Games]] | | [[Category:Games]] |
Note that a lot of the links are broken. It's because they're old. They're to the old forum software, not the new stuff.
It seems like looting is faster on the 360. Maybe that's just me.
Others disagree. While it is not useful against an enemy charging or chasing you, it is still fairly effective against targets when it has time to work. Enemies that aren't actively attacking you, such as when you manage to surprise a splicer, or when you hit spider splicers crawling along the ceiling.
Are we 100% sure the time it takes getting Sportboost & Sportboost 2 will be made up in saved running time? It certainly seems like it...
This game has a run page on SDA!
