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==Level-by-level description== | ==Level-by-level description== | ||
| + | VIDEOS WITH AN ASTERISK (*) USE FASTER STRATS THAN IN THE CURRENT SDA-RUN | ||
=Room 1= | =Room 1= | ||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCeAIyJtLhc<br /> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCeAIyJtLhc<br /> | ||
The way of collecting the key and drop down to the lower level is the fastest solution in theory (tas). However, to get it done as fast as possible, you need turn from right to left as quickly as possible, which can't be done in practice with a d-pad.<br /><br /> | The way of collecting the key and drop down to the lower level is the fastest solution in theory (tas). However, to get it done as fast as possible, you need turn from right to left as quickly as possible, which can't be done in practice with a d-pad.<br /><br /> | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz84WKbgNLw<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz84WKbgNLw *<br /> |
This solution is in practice a few frames faster for real-time speedruns, but also a bit riskier because of the edge jump.<br /> | This solution is in practice a few frames faster for real-time speedruns, but also a bit riskier because of the edge jump.<br /> | ||
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Shooting the goblin at the bottom would save half a second. That fireball is therefore better spent in room 13.<br /><br /> | Shooting the goblin at the bottom would save half a second. That fireball is therefore better spent in room 13.<br /><br /> | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIc19hDdkFY<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIc19hDdkFY *<br /> |
This solution is ideal, but requires frame perfect execution for the three last drops, so it's more shown as a reference here.<br /> | This solution is ideal, but requires frame perfect execution for the three last drops, so it's more shown as a reference here.<br /> | ||
=Room 7= | =Room 7= | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSuwLaQTWl4<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSuwLaQTWl4 *<br /> |
There are easier ways without the edge jump to get through this room, but they are several seconds slower.<br /> | There are easier ways without the edge jump to get through this room, but they are several seconds slower.<br /> | ||
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=Room 15= | =Room 15= | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DnFfrAr8Q<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DnFfrAr8Q *<br /> |
Pretty safe solution.<br /><br /> | Pretty safe solution.<br /><br /> | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UarWD-_vvM<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UarWD-_vvM *<br /> |
A little over half a second faster than above, but a great deal riskier. The position of the Saramandor when you pick up the key is important to have it stop and breath fire on top of the breakable block. It would have been convenient if it would have been possible to observe the position of the Saramandor when picking up the key. Unfortunately, since the Saramandor is in the middle of the fire-breathing animation makes it difficult to predict if the timing is right or not.<br /><br /> | A little over half a second faster than above, but a great deal riskier. The position of the Saramandor when you pick up the key is important to have it stop and breath fire on top of the breakable block. It would have been convenient if it would have been possible to observe the position of the Saramandor when picking up the key. Unfortunately, since the Saramandor is in the middle of the fire-breathing animation makes it difficult to predict if the timing is right or not.<br /><br /> | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4LdEbydeC8<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4LdEbydeC8 *<br /> |
Another half a second faster, but very difficult to execute correctly.<br /> | Another half a second faster, but very difficult to execute correctly.<br /> | ||
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=Room 22= | =Room 22= | ||
If you collect the super fireball in this room, you can skip the one in room 29 and vice versa. Below is shown both options and their consequences.<br /><br /> | If you collect the super fireball in this room, you can skip the one in room 29 and vice versa. Below is shown both options and their consequences.<br /><br /> | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqqj6sNC4oY<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqqj6sNC4oY *<br /> |
This is the solution without collecting the super fireball. After collecting the key, hold right and then do a buffer jump. It's slightly faster to run right for one or two more frames, because you would land immediately in the exit. However, beyond that two frame window, you'll die from the blue flame. Needless to say, the Saramandor next to the key should also be taken into account. If you go at full speed, you'll collect the key too early and land on the Saramandor. If you arrive too late, you'll collide with it just before the exit. With a bit of practice, you can make the climbing to the key a few frames slower than optimal, which will put the Saramandor in the right spot.<br /><br /> | This is the solution without collecting the super fireball. After collecting the key, hold right and then do a buffer jump. It's slightly faster to run right for one or two more frames, because you would land immediately in the exit. However, beyond that two frame window, you'll die from the blue flame. Needless to say, the Saramandor next to the key should also be taken into account. If you go at full speed, you'll collect the key too early and land on the Saramandor. If you arrive too late, you'll collide with it just before the exit. With a bit of practice, you can make the climbing to the key a few frames slower than optimal, which will put the Saramandor in the right spot.<br /><br /> | ||
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=Room 30= | =Room 30= | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHlzMWjs58g<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHlzMWjs58g *<br /> |
=Room 31= | =Room 31= | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S7ofxQfus4<br /><br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S7ofxQfus4 *<br /><br /> |
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyajcGChk8I<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyajcGChk8I *<br /> |
This solution uses zigzag jumping and is a little less than one second faster than above. It hasn't been researched thoroughly if more time can be gained through tweaking the route somehow, but the cyclic enemy spawns make it difficult to cut time other than in chunks of 3 seconds. For information, this video took over 40 tries (with a save state at the key) to do in real time. It's doable, but the risk factor increases dramatically (of course very much dependent on the player's consistency as well).<br /> | This solution uses zigzag jumping and is a little less than one second faster than above. It hasn't been researched thoroughly if more time can be gained through tweaking the route somehow, but the cyclic enemy spawns make it difficult to cut time other than in chunks of 3 seconds. For information, this video took over 40 tries (with a save state at the key) to do in real time. It's doable, but the risk factor increases dramatically (of course very much dependent on the player's consistency as well).<br /> | ||
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=Room 38= | =Room 38= | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU0BawEStSI<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU0BawEStSI *<br /> |
=Room 39= | =Room 39= | ||
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=Room 48= | =Room 48= | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyX-Xrt9GFY<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyX-Xrt9GFY *<br /> |
The tas saves a considerable amount of time by taking the same route both times through the room. However, it requires "fire block building" (not a good term, but hard to describe, se the [[Solomon's Key (NES)/Game Mechanics|game mechanics]] page.<br /> | The tas saves a considerable amount of time by taking the same route both times through the room. However, it requires "fire block building" (not a good term, but hard to describe, se the [[Solomon's Key (NES)/Game Mechanics|game mechanics]] page.<br /> | ||
=Solomon's room= | =Solomon's room= | ||
| − | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK7j0ql4Z40<br /> | + | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK7j0ql4Z40 *<br /> |
It seems like the enemy movements in this room depend on how you have played up until this point (different solutions for room 48 seem to have an impact for example). It seems like playing the game the same way will result in consistent results, but this is not fully understood and enemy movements in this game are known to randomly vary a bit.<br /> | It seems like the enemy movements in this room depend on how you have played up until this point (different solutions for room 48 seem to have an impact for example). It seems like playing the game the same way will result in consistent results, but this is not fully understood and enemy movements in this game are known to randomly vary a bit.<br /> | ||
It's worth noting that any fireballs you might have in the inventory when arriving here will disappear. | It's worth noting that any fireballs you might have in the inventory when arriving here will disappear. | ||
Revision as of 10:41, 5 August 2014
Contents
- 1 Category description
- 2 Fireball management
- 3 Level-by-level description
- 4 Room 1
- 5 Room 2
- 6 Room 3
- 7 Room 4
- 8 Room 5
- 9 Room 6
- 10 Room 7
- 11 Room 13
- 12 Room 14
- 13 Room 15
- 14 Room 21
- 15 Room 22
- 16 Room 23
- 17 Room 29
- 18 Room 30
- 19 Room 31
- 20 Room 37
- 21 Room 38
- 22 Room 39
- 23 Room 45
- 24 Room 46
- 25 Room 47
- 26 Room 48
- 27 Solomon's room
Category description
This category aims to complete the game as quickly as possible by collecting all the golden wings. None of the game's hidden items and therefore only gets the normal ending.
The terminology of the game mechanics page will be used below.
Fireball management
Given that fireballs are scarce, cost time to both grab and launch and how they need to be shot in the order they are picked up, fireball management is a huge task when routing this game. Below is a document that shows which fireballs are collected and where they are used in the route described in this section. There are also some comments about time saved by fireballs in the different rooms and how much time they take to collect.
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Level-by-level description
VIDEOS WITH AN ASTERISK (*) USE FASTER STRATS THAN IN THE CURRENT SDA-RUN
Room 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCeAIyJtLhc
The way of collecting the key and drop down to the lower level is the fastest solution in theory (tas). However, to get it done as fast as possible, you need turn from right to left as quickly as possible, which can't be done in practice with a d-pad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz84WKbgNLw *
This solution is in practice a few frames faster for real-time speedruns, but also a bit riskier because of the edge jump.
Room 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTQHB2k_zuU
Room 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RznY8Cdog8E
Not too seldom, the item dropped by the fireballed gargoyle will get stuck inside the block. The game reacts by slowly pushing it to the right. If this happens, it allows for creating a block where the gargoyle stood and make an edge jump from it. It's 10-15 frames faster than what's shown here.
Room 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJYm0McO474
Room 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOmQZ77BsVo
The second gargoyle (from the bottom) on the left side sometimes start a little out of sync (10-20% of the time?). The fireball will then be shot a little later than what's shown here, making this solution impossible. There is no known workaround for when that happens (other than to reset or to lose several seconds). There is also some variation to the top right gargoyle. It will sometimes shoot the fireball a bit earlier, sometimes a bit later. This seems to be rng-dependent. The result of bad rng is that Dana has to wait a few tenths of a seconds longer for the fireball to pass by overhead, but the room solution doesn't change.
Room 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt0QmJM-d2w
Shooting the goblin at the bottom would save half a second. That fireball is therefore better spent in room 13.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIc19hDdkFY *
This solution is ideal, but requires frame perfect execution for the three last drops, so it's more shown as a reference here.
Room 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSuwLaQTWl4 *
There are easier ways without the edge jump to get through this room, but they are several seconds slower.
Room 13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKbTNBzwl6o
Shooting the ghost reduces enemy slowdown and allows for a one second faster solution than without using it (both because of having the sparkballs in better positions and because of not having to spend time dodging the ghost). It might be tempting to pick up one of the orange jars. This prevents more saramandors spawning for a while because of the game's sprite limit. However, this will also increase the lag and ends up wasting time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPF4NMsDi_I
This solution without using a fireball on the ghost is possibly keyboard-emu only. Testing showed that climbing the right side after picking up the key was very difficult on console. The saramandors spawned too early for passing through. There are other alternatives to circumvent this, but none found that isn't a second slower than with using a fireball. In summary, unless a consistent way is found to complete the room as fast as shown in this video, the time gained in room 7 would be cancelled here in room 13. The result would only be adding a bit of difficulty.
Room 14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSoMhKld3v4
One of the harder rooms. Both because of the running edge jump and turning around correctly after picking up the key. If you tap too long on the d-pad, Dana falls down. After collecting the key, you need to press right for 3, 4 or 5 frames. Less and Dana will hit the head when trying to jump up. More and Dana will fall down.
The beginning is intentionally not optimized. If you go too fast, you'll run into the ghost when trying to cross the middle. The part around the key also usually has to be slowed down intentionally (just a tiny bit). If you're too fast, the Saramandor will not have passed to left before the block is destroyed.
Room 15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DnFfrAr8Q *
Pretty safe solution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UarWD-_vvM *
A little over half a second faster than above, but a great deal riskier. The position of the Saramandor when you pick up the key is important to have it stop and breath fire on top of the breakable block. It would have been convenient if it would have been possible to observe the position of the Saramandor when picking up the key. Unfortunately, since the Saramandor is in the middle of the fire-breathing animation makes it difficult to predict if the timing is right or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4LdEbydeC8 *
Another half a second faster, but very difficult to execute correctly.
Room 21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc0SKqiak9A
Room 22
If you collect the super fireball in this room, you can skip the one in room 29 and vice versa. Below is shown both options and their consequences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqqj6sNC4oY *
This is the solution without collecting the super fireball. After collecting the key, hold right and then do a buffer jump. It's slightly faster to run right for one or two more frames, because you would land immediately in the exit. However, beyond that two frame window, you'll die from the blue flame. Needless to say, the Saramandor next to the key should also be taken into account. If you go at full speed, you'll collect the key too early and land on the Saramandor. If you arrive too late, you'll collide with it just before the exit. With a bit of practice, you can make the climbing to the key a few frames slower than optimal, which will put the Saramandor in the right spot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkr0reIIjs
This solution is slightly easier than above, because you don't have to worry about the Saramandor after collecting the key (unless you arrived there at full speed and lands on it right after the key). The disadvantage of this solution is that it's dependent on the gargoyle's spawn direction in room 29 and room 29 also becomes much harder with the good spawn. However, the good spawn in room 29 will most of the time be a tenth or two of a second faster overall.
Room 23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJKuRr6nPBk
Room 29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS2Dij4PXA4
The room solution here depends on if you collected the super fireball in room 22.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS2Dij4PXA4&list=UUv5paVvW_bdtMmiFNX7B0_w
Pretty safe solution. The block created after collecting the key was simply to create a bit of extra hangtime and avoid otherwise landing on the gargoyle. This is not entirely optimal and faster would be a short pause of the correct length. Making a pause of the correct duration can be tricky though. If the gargoyle starts walking the other direction when the room begins, you'll have to turn around and block a fire shot (it should be pretty self-explanatory). That's a tenth or two of a second slower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ujism6JPE
If you collected the super fireball in room 22, you don't have to collect one here. However, the direction the gargoyle starts walking in will have a big impact in this case. Right (like in this video) allows for a quick, but also difficult, solution. Left is bad luck and requires a slow solution and wasting a fireball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGk7DK5LU84
This is the other possibility when you have already collected the super fireball (in room 22). When the gargoyle starts walking to the left, it can't be avoided in a quick manner and has to be destroyed.
Room 30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHlzMWjs58g *
Room 31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S7ofxQfus4 *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyajcGChk8I *
This solution uses zigzag jumping and is a little less than one second faster than above. It hasn't been researched thoroughly if more time can be gained through tweaking the route somehow, but the cyclic enemy spawns make it difficult to cut time other than in chunks of 3 seconds. For information, this video took over 40 tries (with a save state at the key) to do in real time. It's doable, but the risk factor increases dramatically (of course very much dependent on the player's consistency as well).
Room 37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYcVoI6YTco
Room 38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU0BawEStSI *
Room 39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piHAn5y5j0E
There is some variation in the sparkball movements in this room. The jump in the top left corner is sometimes not possible to make like shown here because the sparkball and the bat are too close to each other. You can get a feeling for this by observing the sparkball's location at the time of collecting the key.
Room 45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RUgpqaZ4tM
It's possible to collide with the demon head when running from after having picked up the key towards the exit. Looking at the position of the spawned demon head during the grab key animation gives a good indication if you're early or not.
Room 46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs8kkd-0ZIQ
This is minor variation of the current sda-run (by 'ktwo', 2014-02-08). By creating one more block before launching the super fireball, the enemy drops falls into a better position and won't prevent creating the block above slightly earlier. A few tenths of a second faster than in the published run.
Room 47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWXXLd2dru0
Hardest room in the game. The first drop with the key has a two frame window to break the block and then enter the created opening. The second drop has a three frame window for the same thing. Both of these drops can be avoided in a normal playthrough, but there is not really a good alternative in a speedrun.
Room 48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyX-Xrt9GFY *
The tas saves a considerable amount of time by taking the same route both times through the room. However, it requires "fire block building" (not a good term, but hard to describe, se the game mechanics page.
Solomon's room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK7j0ql4Z40 *
It seems like the enemy movements in this room depend on how you have played up until this point (different solutions for room 48 seem to have an impact for example). It seems like playing the game the same way will result in consistent results, but this is not fully understood and enemy movements in this game are known to randomly vary a bit.
It's worth noting that any fireballs you might have in the inventory when arriving here will disappear.
