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‎Extra EXP from Feena

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−	This page is for the newer versions of Ys I, from Eternal to Chronicles+. The DS ~~version isn~~'t discussed here, as ~~there are~~ extra elements of gameplay not present in these versions. This info is meant for an any%, Easy difficulty run.	+	This page is for the newer versions of Ys I, from Eternal to Chronicles+. The DS and PS2 versions aren't discussed here, as they contain extra elements of gameplay not present in these versions. This info is meant for an any%, Easy difficulty run.

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	While getting the Silver Sword early would indeed be helpful, it is most likely faster to take a normal gameplay route through the Shrine (perhaps still picking up the Ruby and Necklace) in order to ensure enough Wing purchases are possible to complete the Mine without backtracking.		While getting the Silver Sword early would indeed be helpful, it is most likely faster to take a normal gameplay route through the Shrine (perhaps still picking up the Ruby and Necklace) in order to ensure enough Wing purchases are possible to complete the Mine without backtracking.
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	==Reaching Level 10==		==Reaching Level 10==

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 ===Eternal===
-More testing is needed for this version, but it's likely that early Silver Sword isn't worth it for this version.  First of all, the EXP trick when rescuing Feena isn't present in this version, so it misses out on even more EXP than Chronicles / + does compared to Complete.  In addition, Wings are expensive to purchase in this version (2,000 gold), and so the Ruby and Necklace would likely need to be picked up and sold to have a shot at making the route decently fast.
+More testing is needed for this version, but it's likely that early Silver Sword isn't worth it here.  First of all, the EXP trick when rescuing Feena isn't present in this version, so it misses out on even more EXP than Chronicles / + does compared to Complete.  In addition, Wings are expensive to purchase in Eternal (2,000 gold), and so the Ruby and Necklace would likely need to be picked up and sold to have a shot at making the route decently fast.
 While getting the Silver Sword early would indeed be helpful, it is most likely faster to take a normal gameplay route through the Shrine (perhaps still picking up the Ruby and Necklace) in order to ensure enough Wing purchases are possible to complete the Mine without backtracking.
 ==Reaching Level 10==

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 ==Version Differences==
 While all of these versions share the exact same core gameplay, there are still a few small differences to take into account if trying to directly compare runs of one another.
 ===Eternal, 1998 (PC, Japanese only)===
 Mostly the same as Complete, but is considered inferior for speedrunning purposes, mostly due to the higher cost of certain items (for instance, Wings cost 2,000 gold).
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 ===Complete, 2001 (PC, Japanese with unofficial English patch)===
 Faster than Chronicles+, but is believed to be slightly slower than the Japanese PC version of Chronicles; however, more testing is required at this time.
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 ===Chronicles, 2009 (PC, Japanese only) and Chronicles, 2011 (PSP, Japanese and English)===
 The Japanese PC version of Chronicles is believed to be the overall fastest version, but more testing is needed.  Regarding the PSP version, it is assumed that the Japanese version is on par or slightly slower than its PC counterpart, due to loading times.  The English release of the PSP version can be assumed to be on par or slightly slower than Chronicles+, again due to loading times.
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 ===Chronicles+, 2013 (PC, English only)===
 With the likely exception of Eternal and the English PSP version of Chronicles, + is believed to be one of the slower versions among these to speedrun.  For certain, it is slower than Complete by at least 30s, most likely closer to 45s or a minute.

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 ===Extra EXP from Feena===
 Feena gives EXP when escorting her to Zepik before killing Nygtilger and finding the Book of Ys within.  Doing it after Nygtilger gives you nothing, as you are then forced to save her before you can leave (unless you do the warp trick when getting the Book of Ys, but there's no point to that, since you'll just have to save her later).  Anyway, there are ways to receive more than the intended reward (500 EXP) from her, but it depends on what version you're playing, and the amount of bonus EXP you can receive will also vary.
 ====Complete====

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 ==Version Differences==
-The Complete and Chronicles+ versions share the exact same core gameplay, but there are still a few small differences to take into account if trying to directly compare runs of one another.  There is yet another PC version not discussed here known as Eternal, which is mostly the same as Complete, but that is considered inferior for speedrunning purposes, mostly due to the higher cost of certain items (for instance, Wings cost 2,000 gold).
+The Complete and Chronicles+ versions share the exact same core gameplay, but there are still a few small differences to take into account if trying to directly compare runs of one another.  There is yet another PC version not discussed here known as Eternal, which is mostly the same as Complete, but that is considered inferior for speedrunning purposes, mostly due to the higher cost of certain items (for instance, Wings cost 2,000 gold).  Eternal does actually let you reasonably deal with Jenocres a little sooner (level 3 with Long Sword, 4 with Short Sword), but in addition to the Minea Plains/Mountain enemies giving less EXP in this version, the Luta Gemma sidequest awards no EXP.  And while the lowest difficulty setting is "Easy", it's the equivalent to "Normal" in Complete and Chronicles+ (even so, under-leveled Jenocres is probably still faster).
-First, the text speed.  Complete is only able to double-tap confirm to clear text faster, but Chronicles+ has the ability to hold the cancel button for text, which makes them go by even faster.  This would favor Chronicles+ a little in terms of speed, except it's only in English at this point in time, and Complete is only in Japanese.  Japanese text displays faster than English text in general (fewer characters to display), so even though Complete technically has just the slower of the two text-clearing options, it is likely a non-factor due to being in Japanese.
+Anyway, as this guide is primarily focused on the Complete and Chronicles+ versions, let's go over the key differences between them.  First, the text speed.  Complete is only able to double-tap confirm to clear text faster, but Chronicles+ has the ability to hold the cancel button for text, which makes them go by even faster.  This would favor Chronicles+ a little in terms of speed, except it's only in English at this point in time, and Complete is only in Japanese.  Japanese text displays faster than English text in general (fewer characters to display), so even though Complete technically has just the slower of the two text-clearing options, it is likely a non-factor due to being in Japanese.
 Next, bosses.  In Complete, you are immediately locked in the arena, but still given freedom to move (in most cases) as the boss makes its entrance.  In Chronicles+, the game has a brief ~2s pause as it makes a transition to the boss arena, and then another transition back to the main screen once the battle is over.  Why it switches over to a separate screen is anyone's guess (probably something to do with the PSP version, the one Chronicles+ builds upon), but this also means that Vagullion can't be damaged right away in Chronicles+, something that is possible in Complete (a ~5s loss, on top of any trolling he might do).
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 There's a glitch (detailed below) that allows the player to receive bonus EXP when saving Feena, but how to perform it and exactly how helpful it can be depends on the version.  Unless exploiting it consecutive times in Complete (which is unlikely to be met with much success for a single segment run), it saves a few seconds at best over its Chronicles+ variant of the glitch.
-Finally, the Roda Tree cutscene when obtaining the Silver Sword.  Chronicles+ is able to completely skip it whereas Complete can only take advantage of a glitch (also detailed below) to speed up the cutscene's text.  With the glitch, the process takes ~35s where it'd normally take ~45s normally.
+Finally, the Roda Tree cutscene when obtaining the Silver Sword.  Chronicles+ is able to completely skip it whereas Complete can only take advantage of a glitch (also detailed below) to speed up the cutscene's text.  With the glitch, the process takes ~35s where it'd normally take ~45s.
-One might think the Roda Tree cutscene skip alone would be enough to make Chronicles+ the faster version to run, but that version still seems to be a minute behind Complete, and we aren't 100% clear as to why.  Complete does feature more menu shortcuts and mouse movement (a little less time spent going through the inventory/equipment menus, but probably no more than an extra second or two), and we think maybe Chronicles+ has very slightly slower text boxes on the whole (being in English), but aren't sure.  Nevertheless, Chronicles+ seems to be the more popular version amongst the few current runners, and understandably so, being in English, and being the most recent.
+One might think the Roda Tree cutscene skip alone would be enough to make Chronicles+ the faster version to run, but it still seems to be a minute behind Complete, and we aren't 100% clear as to why.  Complete does feature more menu shortcuts and mouse movement (a little less time spent going through the inventory/equipment menus, but probably no more than an extra second or two), and we think maybe Chronicles+ has very slightly slower text boxes on the whole (being in English), but aren't sure.  Nevertheless, Chronicles+ seems to be the more popular version among the few current runners, and understandably so, being in English, and being the most recent.
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 ===Extra EXP from Feena===
-Feena gives EXP when escorting her to Zepik before killing Nygtilger and finding the Book of Ys within.  Doing it after gives you nothing.  There are ways to receive more than the intended reward (500 EXP) from her, but it depends on what version you're playing, and the amount of bonus EXP you can receive will also vary.
+Feena gives EXP when escorting her to Zepik before killing Nygtilger and finding the Book of Ys within.  Doing it after Nygtilger gives you nothing, as you are then forced to save her before you can leave (unless you do the warp trick when getting the Book of Ys, but there's no point to that, since you'll just have to save her later).  Anyway, there are ways to receive more than the intended reward (500 EXP) from her, but it depends on what version you're playing, and the amount of bonus EXP you can receive will also vary.
 ====Complete====
-If you're playing this version, you have two options.  You can rapidly mash confirm to help her, for a potential total of 2,000 EXP, though realistically, you'll only receive 1,000 or 1,500.  This can only be done once.
+If you're playing this version, you have two options.  You can rapidly mash confirm to help her, for a potential total of 2,000 EXP, though realistically, you'll only receive 1,000 or 1,500.  This can only be done once, since the escort mission is started immediately after.
-Alternatively, you can confirm to help her, then refuse at the last second.  This can be done repeatedly (up to 1,000 each time), but is extremely difficult to pull off.  While helpful, it is best avoided in single segment runs, as it'll likely end in accidentally agreeing to help her before you're ready, with less EXP as well.
+Alternatively, you can confirm to help her, then refuse at the last second.  This can be done repeatedly (up to 1,000 each time, but 500 is more likely), but is extremely difficult to pull off.  While helpful, it is best avoided in single segment runs, as it'll likely end in accidentally agreeing to help her before you're ready, with less EXP as well.
 ====Chronicles+====
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 ===Faster Roda Tree text===
-In Complete only, there is a glitch to make the special text during the Roda Seed scene speed up when getting the Silver Sword.  Chronicles+ is able to skip the scene altogether, but Complete has to sit through it.  To do so, you talk to the Roda Tree without understanding it, eat the Roda Seed *after* that, and then trigger the scene properly.  Doing so makes the game think the scene has already played once, and so displays the text quicker as a result.  The cutscenes having faster text is actually intended behavior for the first set of Roda Tree scenes before returning the Harmonica (only when replaying them, however), but the second set of scenes when you're getting the Silver Sword only can be viewed once.  Anyway, doing this when getting the Silver Sword saves about 10 seconds over doing the cutscene right the first time.
+In Complete only, there is a glitch to make the special text during the Roda Seed scene speed up when getting the Silver Sword.  Chronicles+ is able to skip the scene altogether, but Complete has to sit through it.  To do so, you talk to the Roda Tree without understanding it, eat the Roda Seed *after* that, and then trigger the scene properly.  Doing so makes the game think the scene has already played once, and so displays the text quicker as a result.  The cutscenes having faster text is actually intended behavior for the first set of Roda Tree scenes before returning the Harmonica (only when replaying them, however), but the second set of scenes when you're getting the Silver Sword can only be viewed once.  Anyway, doing this when getting the Silver Sword saves about 10 seconds over doing the cutscene right the first time.
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 Note: Further testing is ongoing and this may be even on time with the Lute Gemma sidequest, however it's much riskier and much less consistent due to enemy movement patterns.
-The optimal grinding route uses two spawn triggers, one to the left of the shrine, the other above a vertical postition - the best place for is the alcove to the left of the pillars and right of the stairwell.  One Cycle will net you 4 kills, 32xp, if there are no errant enemies boosting that amount.
+The optimal grinding route uses two spawn triggers, one to the left of the shrine, the other above a vertical position - the best place for this is the alcove to the left of the pillars and right of the stairwell.  One Cycle will net you 4 kills, 32xp, if there are no errant enemies boosting that amount.
 ==Silver Sword==
-The Silver Sword can be obtained a little early in these versions, which makes the remainder of the Shrine a bit easier to get through.  You need the Treasure Box Key from B2 of the Shrine to get the Roda Seed and Silver Harmonica, so that should be collected at the same time you get the Prison Key to save Feena.  It is debatable whether or not doing it early saves time, as there are a few variables to consider.  Generally, it's thought to be very slightly slower, or breaking even with a route that gets it normally.  It at least makes Nygtilger and the rest of the Shrine easier, getting slightly more EXP compared to a route that does things normally, but said EXP is arguably quick and easy to make up in a timely manner when you're forced to grind anyway, so it's a really tough judgment call whether or not to get it early.  Getting it early, one should proceed to use it for the remainder of the Shrine to reach level 7, making quick work of Nygtilger.  That said, depending on which version you're playing, the optimal conditions of such a route vary slightly.
+The Silver Sword can be obtained a little early in these versions, which makes the remainder of the Shrine a bit easier to get through.  You need the Treasure Box Key from B2 of the Shrine to get the Roda Seed and Silver Harmonica, so that should be collected at the same time you get the Prison Key to save Feena.  It is debatable whether or not getting the Silver Sword early saves time, as there are a few variables to consider.  Generally, it's thought to be very slightly slower, or breaking even with a route that gets it normally.  It at least makes Nygtilger and the rest of the Shrine easier, getting slightly more EXP compared to a route that does things normally, but said EXP is arguably quick and easy to make up in a timely manner when you're forced to grind anyway, so it's a really tough judgment call whether or not to get it early.  Doing so, one should proceed to use it for the remainder of the Shrine to reach level 7, making quick work of Nygtilger.  That said, depending on which version you're playing, the optimal conditions of such a route vary slightly.
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 ==Re-obtaining the Silver Shield and Armor==
-A little known fact about this game is that having the Silver Shield and Silver Armor equipped is not necessary to defeating Dark Fact.  It's not even necessary to being able to enter the top of the tower.  They are necessary to being able to enter the tower in the first place, so even if one doesn't use them, they must still be obtained earlier in the game.  As they are not necessary during the tower, re-obtaining them should therefore be skipped if one is confident enough.  Even if armor is determined to be necessary, the Battle Shield only should suffice.
+A little known fact about this game is that having the Silver Shield and Silver Armor equipped is not necessary to defeating Dark Fact.  It's not even necessary to being able to enter the top of the tower.  They are necessary to being able to enter the tower in the first place, so even if one doesn't use them, they must still be obtained earlier in the game.  As they are not necessary during the tower, re-obtaining them should therefore be skipped if one is confident enough.  Even if armor is determined to be necessary, either the Silver Shield (~11s) or Battle Shield (~13s) should suffice.  The Silver Shield helps more during Dark Fact, but the Battle Shield helps more for Yogleks & Omulgun, which is by far the tougher of the two battles, at least on Easy difficulty.
-Pictimos is a boss you'll already be dodging a lot, so armor doesn't really play a factor - you would also have to ascend one extra level to get the Silver Shield only to return to the lower level after.   Against Khonsclard, armor does not make a difference for the damage he deals, and running around in circles or up/down kills him quickly as is.  Dark Fact goes by very quickly on Easy so as to probably not be an issue.
+Pictimos is a boss you'll already be dodging a lot, so armor doesn't really play a factor - you would also have to ascend one extra level to get the Silver Shield only to return to the lower level after.   Against Khonsclard, armor does not make a difference for the damage he deals, and running around in circles or up/down kills him quickly as is.  Dark Fact goes by very quickly on Easy so as to probably not be an issue without wearing armor.
-So, that leaves just the twin head boss, Yogleks & Omulgun.  With enough practice, he can be taken down even without armor very quickly.  It is a risky strategy, but the battle plays out more or less the same each time with consistent movement from the player.  But, to stand a decent shot, you should be at full health.  To this end, a Healing Potion is strongly recommended to have as a backup; If you could not save the one from before Vagullion, it is suggested to take the one next to the Evil Ring.  Still, the battle can go south pretty easily, so if opting to try this strategy, be sure to give it a lot of practice, preferably a few times right before a run so the feel of the battle stays fresh in your mind.
+So, that leaves just the twin head boss, Yogleks & Omulgun.  With enough practice, he can be taken down even without armor very quickly.  It is a risky strategy, but the battle plays out more or less the same each time with consistent movement from the player.  But, to stand a decent shot, you should be at full health.  To this end, a Healing Potion is strongly recommended to have as a backup; if you could not save the one from before Vagullion, it is suggested to take the one next to the Evil Ring.  Still, the battle can go south pretty easily, so if opting to try this strategy, be sure to give it a lot of practice, preferably a few times right before a run so the feel of the battle stays fresh in your mind.

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	==Version Differences==		==Version Differences==
−	The Complete and Chronicles+ versions share the	+	The Complete and Chronicles+ versions share the exact same core gameplay, but there are still a few small differences to take into account if trying to directly compare runs of one another. There is yet another PC version not discussed here known as Eternal, which is mostly the same as Complete, but that is considered inferior for speedrunning purposes, mostly due to the higher cost of certain items (for instance, Wings cost 2,000 gold).
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		+	First, the text speed. Complete is only able to double-tap confirm to clear text faster, but Chronicles+ has the ability to hold the cancel button for text, which makes them go by even faster. This would favor Chronicles+ a little in terms of speed, except it's only in English at this point in time, and Complete is only in Japanese. Japanese text displays faster than English text in general (fewer characters to display), so even though Complete technically has just the slower of the two text-clearing options, it is likely a non-factor due to being in Japanese.
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		+	Next, bosses. In Complete, you are immediately locked in the arena, but still given freedom to move (in most cases) as the boss makes its entrance. In Chronicles+, the game has a brief ~2s pause as it makes a transition to the boss arena, and then another transition back to the main screen once the battle is over. Why it switches over to a separate screen is anyone's guess (probably something to do with the PSP version, the one Chronicles+ builds upon), but this also means that Vagullion can't be damaged right away in Chronicles+, something that is possible in Complete (a ~5s loss, on top of any trolling he might do).
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		+	There's a glitch (detailed below) that allows the player to receive bonus EXP when saving Feena, but how to perform it and exactly how helpful it can be depends on the version. Unless exploiting it consecutive times in Complete (which is unlikely to be met with much success for a single segment run), it saves a few seconds at best over its Chronicles+ variant of the glitch.
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		+	Finally, the Roda Tree cutscene when obtaining the Silver Sword. Chronicles+ is able to completely skip it whereas Complete can only take advantage of a glitch (also detailed below) to speed up the cutscene's text. With the glitch, the process takes ~35s where it'd normally take ~45s normally.
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		+	One might think the Roda Tree cutscene skip alone would be enough to make Chronicles+ the faster version to run, but that version still seems to be a minute behind Complete, and we aren't 100% clear as to why. Complete does feature more menu shortcuts and mouse movement (a little less time spent going through the inventory/equipment menus, but probably no more than an extra second or two), and we think maybe Chronicles+ has very slightly slower text boxes on the whole (being in English), but aren't sure. Nevertheless, Chronicles+ seems to be the more popular version amongst the few current runners, and understandably so, being in English, and being the most recent.

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	This page is for both the Complete (Windows, 2001) and Chronicles+ (Steam, 2013) releases of the game. Unless otherwise noted, the info here is equally applicable to both versions. In addition, it's meant for an any%, Easy difficulty run.		This page is for both the Complete (Windows, 2001) and Chronicles+ (Steam, 2013) releases of the game. Unless otherwise noted, the info here is equally applicable to both versions. In addition, it's meant for an any%, Easy difficulty run.
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		+	==Version Differences==
		+	The Complete and Chronicles+ versions share the

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 [http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/ys_i__ii_complete_ys_i__segment_2_ys_ii__segment_4.html SDA planning thread]
-[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrK4OX4iFaA Current fastest known run] (single segment of Complete version, beats current segmented run)
+[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrK4OX4iFaA Current fastest known run of Complete] (single segment, beats current segmented run)
 A [http://seldane.proboards.com/thread/6478/glitches-interesting-finds thread]detailing lots of glitches throughout the various Ys games (though some games aren't covered very well) .  Many are minor and unfortunately presumed useless, but the info may serve as a foundation for stuff yet to be found.