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Jakeplissken: Undo revision 43222 by Jakeplissken (talk)

2019-07-21T20:28:28Z

Undo revision 43222 by Jakeplissken (talk)

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	Here are the currently accepted categories. If you want to do runs in a different category bring it up in the thread first. The generic category is any% WITHOUT resets. This means you can't save/load at all (deaths most likely waste too much time and result in a reject) and may not use the Infinite Speed Potion unless you can do so without the reset. The ILs are always so called "money runs" which means you start with either max loot collected from the previous mission, or any and all useful items that you could possibly have when leaving "Trace the Courier" when playing "Trail of Blood", or "Precious Cargo" when playing "Kidnap". Obviously you should also have collected the extra loot you can get from all throughout the two pairs of linked missions when advancing to the missions that follow.		Here are the currently accepted categories. If you want to do runs in a different category bring it up in the thread first. The generic category is any% WITHOUT resets. This means you can't save/load at all (deaths most likely waste too much time and result in a reject) and may not use the Infinite Speed Potion unless you can do so without the reset. The ILs are always so called "money runs" which means you start with either max loot collected from the previous mission, or any and all useful items that you could possibly have when leaving "Trace the Courier" when playing "Trail of Blood", or "Precious Cargo" when playing "Kidnap". Obviously you should also have collected the extra loot you can get from all throughout the two pairs of linked missions when advancing to the missions that follow.

	100% ~~has been variously defined at different times to mean~~ all loot, all ~~pickpockets,~~ and ~~even~~ all ~~knockouts, all kills, all iron beasts destroyed. Many bizarre~~ and ~~arbitrary combination of any of the above have been suggested, as well as "Expert Only" or "Any Difficulty". Additional stipulations sometimes mention that~~ any optional goals have to be completed, including the bonus ones: the rings in Running Interference, the Truart burial in Blackmail, getting 900+ loot ~~and the map~~ in Trail of Blood (already part of the definition), finding Cavador's diary and the drill in Kidnap and leaving the library corpses where they'll be found in Casing the Joint. If you know of another bonus goal besides these, add it to this list.~~Due to the lack of a true percentage counter and the arbitrary nature of such a category in a game like Thief, such definitions are left to the player~~'~~s discretion, but unless sufficient interest exists~~ to ~~develop an agreed-upon criteria, such runs will not be considered for verification~~.		100% means all loot, all secrets and all pickpockets and any optional goals have to be completed, including the bonus ones: the rings in Running Interference, the Truart burial in Blackmail, getting 900+ loot in Trail of Blood (already part of the definition), finding Cavador's diary and the drill in Kidnap and leaving the library corpses where they'll be found in Casing the Joint. If you know of another bonus goal besides these, add it to this list. NB! 100% runs should be run on '''Expert only''' to avoid redundancy.

	Low% (normal difficulty only) is defined as follows:		Low% (normal difficulty only) is defined as follows:
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	*if someone else manages to get a lower % for a given mission, their run will obsolete yours barring awful execution		*if someone else manages to get a lower % for a given mission, their run will obsolete yours barring awful execution

	There is currently some controversy around whether the statistics "damage taken" and "healing taken" should also count towards your % so if you want to take up the low% challenge, please open this issue up again in the thread~~. How each statistic contributes towards obsoleting prior runs is undecided~~.		There is currently some controversy around whether the statistics "damage taken" and "healing taken" should also count towards your % so if you want to take up the low% challenge, please open this issue up again in the thread.

	Note that you can run any version of the game for any% runs, but only v. 1.18 or later for 100% and low%. This is to restrict the number of categories from expanding too big (and the earlier versions don't list all those statistics).		Note that you can run any version of the game for any% runs, but only v. 1.18 or later for 100% and low%. This is to restrict the number of categories from expanding too big (and the earlier versions don't list all those statistics).

Jakeplissken: /* Categories */ Clarified unused categories.

2019-07-20T23:16:50Z

Categories: Clarified unused categories.

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	Here are the currently accepted categories. If you want to do runs in a different category bring it up in the thread first. The generic category is any% WITHOUT resets. This means you can't save/load at all (deaths most likely waste too much time and result in a reject) and may not use the Infinite Speed Potion unless you can do so without the reset. The ILs are always so called "money runs" which means you start with either max loot collected from the previous mission, or any and all useful items that you could possibly have when leaving "Trace the Courier" when playing "Trail of Blood", or "Precious Cargo" when playing "Kidnap". Obviously you should also have collected the extra loot you can get from all throughout the two pairs of linked missions when advancing to the missions that follow.		Here are the currently accepted categories. If you want to do runs in a different category bring it up in the thread first. The generic category is any% WITHOUT resets. This means you can't save/load at all (deaths most likely waste too much time and result in a reject) and may not use the Infinite Speed Potion unless you can do so without the reset. The ILs are always so called "money runs" which means you start with either max loot collected from the previous mission, or any and all useful items that you could possibly have when leaving "Trace the Courier" when playing "Trail of Blood", or "Precious Cargo" when playing "Kidnap". Obviously you should also have collected the extra loot you can get from all throughout the two pairs of linked missions when advancing to the missions that follow.

	100% ~~means~~ all loot, all ~~secrets~~ and all ~~pickpockets~~ and any optional goals have to be completed, including the bonus ones: the rings in Running Interference, the Truart burial in Blackmail, getting 900+ loot in Trail of Blood (already part of the definition), finding Cavador's diary and the drill in Kidnap and leaving the library corpses where they'll be found in Casing the Joint. If you know of another bonus goal besides these, add it to this list. ~~NB! 100%~~ runs ~~should~~ be ~~run on '''Expert only''' to avoid redundancy~~.		100% has been variously defined at different times to mean all loot, all pickpockets, and even all knockouts, all kills, all iron beasts destroyed. Many bizarre and arbitrary combination of any of the above have been suggested, as well as "Expert Only" or "Any Difficulty". Additional stipulations sometimes mention that any optional goals have to be completed, including the bonus ones: the rings in Running Interference, the Truart burial in Blackmail, getting 900+ loot and the map in Trail of Blood (already part of the definition), finding Cavador's diary and the drill in Kidnap and leaving the library corpses where they'll be found in Casing the Joint. If you know of another bonus goal besides these, add it to this list.Due to the lack of a true percentage counter and the arbitrary nature of such a category in a game like Thief, such definitions are left to the player's discretion, but unless sufficient interest exists to develop an agreed-upon criteria, such runs will not be considered for verification.

	Low% (normal difficulty only) is defined as follows:		Low% (normal difficulty only) is defined as follows:
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	*if someone else manages to get a lower % for a given mission, their run will obsolete yours barring awful execution		*if someone else manages to get a lower % for a given mission, their run will obsolete yours barring awful execution

	There is currently some controversy around whether the statistics "damage taken" and "healing taken" should also count towards your % so if you want to take up the low% challenge, please open this issue up again in the thread.		There is currently some controversy around whether the statistics "damage taken" and "healing taken" should also count towards your % so if you want to take up the low% challenge, please open this issue up again in the thread. How each statistic contributes towards obsoleting prior runs is undecided.

	Note that you can run any version of the game for any% runs, but only v. 1.18 or later for 100% and low%. This is to restrict the number of categories from expanding too big (and the earlier versions don't list all those statistics).		Note that you can run any version of the game for any% runs, but only v. 1.18 or later for 100% and low%. This is to restrict the number of categories from expanding too big (and the earlier versions don't list all those statistics).

LotBlind at 15:31, 25 January 2017

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	[https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/thief_2_the_metal_age_verifiers_needed.html The Forum Thread] (starts with Poesta's old times).		[https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/thief_2_the_metal_age_verifiers_needed.html The Forum Thread] (starts with Poesta's old times).

	~~If you want to get into T2 running, [https://join.skype.com/aVzcvYVWM4JM join the Skype conversation group!] for quick answers to things not covered in this guide.~~

	= Categories =		= Categories =

LotBlind: just corrected the skype link

2015-12-20T15:10:34Z

just corrected the skype link

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	[https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/thief_2_the_metal_age_verifiers_needed.html The Forum Thread] (starts with Poesta's old times).		[https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/thief_2_the_metal_age_verifiers_needed.html The Forum Thread] (starts with Poesta's old times).

	If you want to get into T2 running, [https://join.skype.com/~~h8bA9v1gbzwO~~ join the Skype conversation group!] for quick answers to things not covered in this guide.		If you want to get into T2 running, [https://join.skype.com/aVzcvYVWM4JM join the Skype conversation group!] for quick answers to things not covered in this guide.

	= Categories =		= Categories =

LotBlind at 17:50, 7 December 2015

2015-12-07T17:50:39Z

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	= Additional Information =		= Additional Information =
	[[Thief 2/Game Mechanics and Glitches\|Game Mechanics and Glitches]] - All the known tricks and glitches in all the versions of the game. <br />		[[Thief 2/Game Mechanics and Glitches\|Game Mechanics and Glitches]] - All the known tricks and glitches in all the versions of the game. <br />
	[[Thief 2/Source Code\|Source Code (Parts Thereof)]] - If you want to see exactly what the code does.		[[Thief 2/Source Code\|Source Code (Parts Thereof)]] - If you want to see exactly what the code does. <br/>
	[[Thief 2/Additional Resources\|Additional Resources]] - Links to other helpful resources. <br/>		[[Thief 2/Additional Resources\|Additional Resources]] - Links to other helpful resources. <br/>
	[[Thief 2/Version Differences\|Version Differences]] - Differences between various versions of the game.		[[Thief 2/Version Differences\|Version Differences]] - Differences between various versions of the game.

LotBlind at 17:49, 7 December 2015

2015-12-07T17:49:58Z

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	= Additional Information =		= Additional Information =
	[[Thief 2/Game Mechanics and Glitches\|Game Mechanics and Glitches]] - All the known tricks and glitches in all the versions of the game. <br />		[[Thief 2/Game Mechanics and Glitches\|Game Mechanics and Glitches]] - All the known tricks and glitches in all the versions of the game. <br />
			[[Thief 2/Source Code\|Source Code (Parts Thereof)]] - If you want to see exactly what the code does.
	[[Thief 2/Additional Resources\|Additional Resources]] - Links to other helpful resources. <br/>		[[Thief 2/Additional Resources\|Additional Resources]] - Links to other helpful resources. <br/>
	[[Thief 2/Version Differences\|Version Differences]] - Differences between various versions of the game.		[[Thief 2/Version Differences\|Version Differences]] - Differences between various versions of the game.

LotBlind: /* Categories */

2015-12-06T21:25:21Z

Categories

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	Always check to see that GOG or Steam have adopted the latest patches if you want to run those versions! Any version that has been on GOG or Steam is fine. See the "version differences" subpage at the bottom of this page.		Always check to see that GOG or Steam have adopted the latest patches if you want to run those versions! Any version that has been on GOG or Steam is fine. See the "version differences" subpage at the bottom of this page.

	Here are the currently accepted categories. If you want to do runs in a different category bring it up in the thread first. The ILs are always so called "money runs" which means you start with either max loot collected from the previous mission, or any and all useful items that you could possibly have when leaving "Trace the Courier" when playing "Trail of Blood", or "Precious Cargo" when playing "Kidnap". Obviously you should also have collected the extra loot you can get from all throughout the two pairs of linked missions when advancing to the missions that follow.		Here are the currently accepted categories. If you want to do runs in a different category bring it up in the thread first. The generic category is any% WITHOUT resets. This means you can't save/load at all (deaths most likely waste too much time and result in a reject) and may not use the Infinite Speed Potion unless you can do so without the reset. The ILs are always so called "money runs" which means you start with either max loot collected from the previous mission, or any and all useful items that you could possibly have when leaving "Trace the Courier" when playing "Trail of Blood", or "Precious Cargo" when playing "Kidnap". Obviously you should also have collected the extra loot you can get from all throughout the two pairs of linked missions when advancing to the missions that follow.

	Segmented any% (which is suspected to be justified because of potentially allowing for otherwise undoable tricks) is a category and you should run whichever version is fastest for this, however Segmented ILs is not to avoid tautology.

	100% means all loot, all secrets and all pickpockets and any optional goals have to be completed, including the bonus ones: the rings in Running Interference, the Truart burial in Blackmail, getting 900+ loot in Trail of Blood (already part of the definition), finding Cavador's diary and the drill in Kidnap and leaving the library corpses where they'll be found in Casing the Joint. If you know of another bonus goal besides these, add it to this list. NB! 100% runs should be run on '''Expert only''' to avoid redundancy.		100% means all loot, all secrets and all pickpockets and any optional goals have to be completed, including the bonus ones: the rings in Running Interference, the Truart burial in Blackmail, getting 900+ loot in Trail of Blood (already part of the definition), finding Cavador's diary and the drill in Kidnap and leaving the library corpses where they'll be found in Casing the Joint. If you know of another bonus goal besides these, add it to this list. NB! 100% runs should be run on '''Expert only''' to avoid redundancy.
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	*no shopping <br />		*no shopping <br />
	*get '''precisely''' the least amount of loot that allows finishing the mission <br />		*get '''precisely''' the least amount of loot that allows finishing the mission <br />
	*otherwise your goal is to finish the level with the lowest combined total of the following statistics that are all listed in the end ~~level~~ summary screen:		*otherwise your goal is to finish the level with the lowest combined total of the following statistics that are all listed in the end mission summary screen:
	:* Pockets picked		:* Pockets picked
	:* Locks picked		:* Locks picked
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	:* Secrets found		:* Secrets found
	*if someone else manages to get a lower % for a given mission, their run will obsolete yours barring awful execution		*if someone else manages to get a lower % for a given mission, their run will obsolete yours barring awful execution

			There is currently some controversy around whether the statistics "damage taken" and "healing taken" should also count towards your % so if you want to take up the low% challenge, please open this issue up again in the thread.

	Note that you can run any version of the game for any% runs, but only v. 1.18 or later for 100% and low%. This is to restrict the number of categories from expanding too big (and the earlier versions don't list all those statistics).		Note that you can run any version of the game for any% runs, but only v. 1.18 or later for 100% and low%. This is to restrict the number of categories from expanding too big (and the earlier versions don't list all those statistics).

	~~There~~ is ~~currently some controversy around whether~~ the ~~statistics "damage taken"~~ and ~~"healing taken" should also count towards your~~ % ~~so if~~ you ~~want~~ to ~~take up~~ the ~~low% challenge~~, ~~please open this issue~~ up ~~again in the thread~~.		Segmented any%/100%/low% are categories and you should run whichever version is fastest for the any% and v. 1.18+ for 100% and low%, however you can't segment IL submissions. Segmented runs are expected to make use of all kinds of obscure and difficult boosts and tricks not seen in SS or IL runs.

			Lastly there will be separate any% (SS, ILs and segmented) slots for the fastest version if that's v. 1.07 or v. 1.18 and the next fastest, readily available version because v. 1.07/1.18 are difficult to set up. v. 1.19+ can obsolete v. 1.07/1.18 but not vice versa.

	~~Lastly there will be a separate any%~~ for ~~the fastest version if that~~'~~s v. 1.07 and the next fastest, readily available version because v. 1.07 is difficult to set up. So if someone does~~ a run ~~for 1.21 or so (from GOG) it will compete with any existing 1.18 runs and vice versa. V. 1.18+ can obsolete v. 1.07 but not vice versa.~~		Here are some prepared pages for you to fill in when you're planning a run in a given category:

	[[Thief 2/any % normal SS\|Any % normal - SS]]<br />		* [[Thief 2/any % normal SS\|Any % normal - SS]]<br />
	[[Thief 2/any % normal ILs\|Any % normal - ILs]]<br />		* [[Thief 2/any % normal ILs\|Any % normal - ILs]]<br />
	[[Thief 2/any % hard SS\|Any % hard - SS]]<br />		* [[Thief 2/any % hard SS\|Any % hard - SS]]<br />
	[[Thief 2/any % hard ILs\|Any % hard - ILs]]<br />		* [[Thief 2/any % hard ILs\|Any % hard - ILs]]<br />
	[[Thief 2/any % expert SS\|Any % expert - SS]]<br />		* [[Thief 2/any % expert SS\|Any % expert - SS]]<br />
	[[Thief 2/any % expert IL\|Any % expert - ILs]]<br />		* [[Thief 2/any % expert IL\|Any % expert - ILs]]<br />
	[[Thief 2/100 % SS ~~expert~~\|100 % expert - SS]]<br />		* [[Thief 2/100 % expert SS\|100 % expert - SS]]<br />
	[[Thief 2/100 % IL expert\|100 % expert - ILs]]<br />		* [[Thief 2/100 % expert ILs\|100 % expert - ILs]]<br />
	[[Thief 2/low % SS ~~normal~~\|low % normal - SS]]<br />		* [[Thief 2/low % normal SS\|low % normal - SS]]<br />
	[[Thief 2/low % normal ILs\|low % normal - ILs~~]]<br />~~		* [[Thief 2/low % normal ILs\|low % normal - ILs]]<br />
	~~[[Thief 2/any % SS normal\|low % normal - SS~~]]<br />

	= Additional Information =		= Additional Information =

LotBlind at 22:41, 23 November 2015

2015-11-23T22:41:44Z

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	[https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/thief_2_the_metal_age_verifiers_needed.html The Forum Thread] (starts with Poesta's old times).		[https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/thief_2_the_metal_age_verifiers_needed.html The Forum Thread] (starts with Poesta's old times).
	[https://join.skype.com/h8bA9v1gbzwO ~~Join~~ the Skype conversation group!]
			If you want to get into T2 running, [https://join.skype.com/h8bA9v1gbzwO join the Skype conversation group!] for quick answers to things not covered in this guide.

	= Categories =		= Categories =

LotBlind at 22:40, 23 November 2015

2015-11-23T22:40:00Z

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	[https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/thief_2_the_metal_age_verifiers_needed.html The Forum Thread] (starts with Poesta's old times).		[https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/thief_2_the_metal_age_verifiers_needed.html The Forum Thread] (starts with Poesta's old times).
			[https://join.skype.com/h8bA9v1gbzwO Join the Skype conversation group!]

	= Categories =		= Categories =

LotBlind: /* Categories */

2015-11-05T20:29:59Z

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	= Additional Information =		= Additional Information =
	[[Thief 2/Game Mechanics and Glitches\|Game Mechanics and Glitches]] - All the known tricks and glitches in all the versions of the game. <br />		[[Thief 2/Game Mechanics and Glitches\|Game Mechanics and Glitches]] - All the known tricks and glitches in all the versions of the game. <br />
	[[Thief 2/Source Code\|Source Code (Parts Thereof)]] - If you want to see exactly what the code does.		[[Thief 2/Source Code\|Source Code (Parts Thereof)]] - If you want to see exactly what the code does. <br/>
	[[Thief 2/Additional Resources\|Additional Resources]] - Links to other helpful resources. <br/>		[[Thief 2/Additional Resources\|Additional Resources]] - Links to other helpful resources. <br/>
	[[Thief 2/Version Differences\|Version Differences]] - Differences between various versions of the game.		[[Thief 2/Version Differences\|Version Differences]] - Differences between various versions of the game.

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	= Additional Information =		= Additional Information =
	[[Thief 2/Game Mechanics and Glitches\|Game Mechanics and Glitches]] - All the known tricks and glitches in all the versions of the game. <br />		[[Thief 2/Game Mechanics and Glitches\|Game Mechanics and Glitches]] - All the known tricks and glitches in all the versions of the game. <br />
			[[Thief 2/Source Code\|Source Code (Parts Thereof)]] - If you want to see exactly what the code does.
	[[Thief 2/Additional Resources\|Additional Resources]] - Links to other helpful resources. <br/>		[[Thief 2/Additional Resources\|Additional Resources]] - Links to other helpful resources. <br/>
	[[Thief 2/Version Differences\|Version Differences]] - Differences between various versions of the game.		[[Thief 2/Version Differences\|Version Differences]] - Differences between various versions of the game.

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	There is currently some controversy around whether the statistics "damage taken" and "healing taken" should also count towards your % so if you want to take up the low% challenge, please open this issue up again in the thread.		There is currently some controversy around whether the statistics "damage taken" and "healing taken" should also count towards your % so if you want to take up the low% challenge, please open this issue up again in the thread.

	Lastly there will be a separate any% for the fastest version if that's v. 1.07 and the next fastest, readily available version because v. 1.07 is difficult to set up. So if someone does a run for 1.21 or so (from GOG) it will compete with any existing 1.18 runs and vice versa.		Lastly there will be a separate any% for the fastest version if that's v. 1.07 and the next fastest, readily available version because v. 1.07 is difficult to set up. So if someone does a run for 1.21 or so (from GOG) it will compete with any existing 1.18 runs and vice versa. V. 1.18+ can obsolete v. 1.07 but not vice versa.

	[[Thief 2/any % normal SS\|Any % normal - SS]]<br />		[[Thief 2/any % normal SS\|Any % normal - SS]]<br />