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HDL at 16:58, 31 October 2015

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HDL at 23:29, 30 November 2013

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Mike89: /* Marble Garden 1 */

2013-11-30T22:36:16Z

‎Marble Garden 1

Mike89: /* Marble Garden 1 */

2013-11-30T22:34:34Z

‎Marble Garden 1

Mike89: /* Marble Garden 1 */

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‎Marble Garden 1

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−	[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=~~qmjoTN6QXww~~ 24:59 by HDL]	+	[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXJ8bQfZ7dU 24:37 by HDL]

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 = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bappYVpwcJ8 Launch Base 1] =
+[[File:LB1-1.png|300px|thumb|right|Jump when the Flybot appears.]]
 Hold right and jump as soon as you touch the alarm.  Run straight into the Orbinaut, and keep holding right (do not jump, it will make the Flybot's position less consistent).  The Flybot will dive left and go off screen, make sure it doesn't go too far or it'll disappear.  Walk slowly towards the cylinder, from here there are two options:
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 *Touch it at 7 1/2 seconds and hold left to hug the wall.  As you reach the bottom and swing upwards, hold right and jump before the mid point so you drop down, taking note of the Flybot's position (don't let him get too close yet).
-The first method is easier and more consistent.  The second is only slightly riskier, but is 1 second faster.  Once you jump down, make your way to the ledge above the yellow spring.  Stand a bit to the right of it, if you are too close to the edge the following setup won't work.  Hold up to shift the screen and wait for the Flybot to hit you.  Alternatively, you can stand near the edge to make the Flybot dive sooner, which is faster (you'll have to move a bit to the right after he passes you though, which reduces the amount of time you have to shift the screen).  Hold right after getting hit and when you land inside the spikes you will be ejected into the wall, zip, and then level wrap.  Face left and hold down to appear in the boss room.
+The first method is easier and more consistent.  The second is only slightly riskier, but is 1 second faster.  Once you jump down, make your way to the ledge above the yellow spring.  Stand a bit to the right of it, if you are too close to the edge the following setup won't work.  Hold up to shift the screen and wait for the Flybot to hit you.
 '''Boss''': Given that Sonic and Tails are only meant to defeat one of these, it's not necessary to destroy both.  You'll have to do this fight with no rings for the best time.
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 = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAxGe0KrhjE Launch Base 2] =
+[[File:LB2-1.png|300px|thumb|left|This spot nets the best result.]] [[File:LB2-2.png|300px|thumb|right|Jump here to bounce on the Ribbot.  You may have to jump sooner depending on your speed.]]
 This level involves several big, strict-timing jumps.  You will be immediately faced with 3 possible outcomes right after your spin dash and jump at the curve of the pipe:
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 The biggest (and toughest) jump in this level comes after hitting the red switch and passing the flamethrower.  Roll down the pipe and be sure to jump near the bottom so you break into a run.  This is important as it'll give you aerial control for the upcoming jump.  When running up the pipe, there is a smaller curve near the top.  Jump as late as possible on the curve (just before the flat ground) to get the best trajectory.  If you jump early or from the middle, you risk bumping parts of the ceiling that will force you to fly and land on the starpost platform.  If this happens, you can still save it by reacting and releasing jump before you bump the ceiling, allowing you to retain most of your momentum.
 After getting past the Orbinaut and rolling down the pipe, you want to brake at a certain point.  There is an invisible [[Sonic_the_Hedgehog_game_mechanics_and_glitches#Path_switchers|path swapper]] here that will enable you to go left without going up the pipe you came.  When jumping into the spinning platform, jump from the middle of the curve so you get the best trajectory on your flight.
 Near the end, after taking the spinning platform up, you'll do the last big jump.  Where you jump from is not as important as the position of the screen; you need to make sure the screen does not drop down past a certain point.  Ideally you want to jump just as you hit the downward curve before the last starpost, so that you get the perfect flight.  Jump too late and you'll be too low, so earlier is better here.  After the jump, hold left briefly so you reduce the chance of bumping into the wall.
 Fly along the ceiling keeping the screen as high as possible, otherwise you won't be able to fly over the invisible wall.

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 = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRyhU48hlLI Marble Garden 2] =
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 [[File:CN1-3.png]] [[File:CN1-4.png]]
-If the boss is in this position in relation to the background (left), you'll have to start walking left a bit before the top hits him (right).
+If the boss is in this position in relation to the background (left), you'll have to start walking left a bit before the top hits him (right).  If the boss is a bit further left, then you must start walking when the top bounces off him, and the roll must be timed sooner.
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 = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaGLEgnSREs Ice Cap] =
+[[File:IC-1.png|300px|thumb|left|This is one of 3 frames that will work.]] [[File:IC-2.png|300px|thumb|right|Wait until you can no longer see the slope on the top left, then hold right.]]
 Make your way to the falling ice platform, and note the blue portions of the background.  When the top of the blue background ice to the immediate left is aligned with the top of the platform, hold right and you'll activate slope glitch once the platform breaks the pillar.  Jump and fall straight down.  From here you have three options:
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 *Jump and avoid the 1st slope altogether, landing directly on the 2nd one, and roll.
-The 2nd method is recommended because it avoids the possibility of entering the wall with a low y-position, which will cause you to exit the upcoming wall hitting the ice block where the spring is.  Upon entering the wall hold left, then hold right after you can no longer see the slope on the top left part of the screen, and lastly switch back to left as you exit the wall and continue to hold it.  This will give you the perfect trajectory to avoid being interrupted by objects in the level.  Since the map area for Ice Cap 2 loads midway through the tunnel that leads to the act 1 boss, and Ice Cap 2 does not wrap vertically, you will die if you continue to fall without jumping.  Wait until the right moment (shown in video), then jump and make note of your location.  Depending on whether you appear, you will have to consider different things:
+The 2nd method is recommended because it avoids the possibility of entering the wall with a low y-position, which will cause you to exit the upcoming wall hitting the ice block where the spring is.  Upon entering the wall hold left, then hold right after you can no longer see the slope on the top left part of the screen, and lastly switch back to left as you exit the wall and continue to hold it.  This will give you the perfect trajectory to avoid being interrupted by objects in the level.
 *If you got hit by the frost hazard, you will be able to spin dash upon landing.  Jump over the blue platform so you don't lose your slope glitch and proceed into the Sonic & Tails tunnel.
 *''Sonic & Tails tunnel'': Look at the small mounds of snow on the ground.  Jump onto the right side of the 2nd one from the ice pillar so that slope glitch gets a downward angle.  Hold right to clip into the ground and zip for a level wrap.  After the wrap, hold left for about 2 seconds, then right for 1 second, then left for 1 second and jump.  You should notice the screen shift downward indicating a lower y-position.  Hold right and jump twice, then wait for the boss to trigger and jump down.
 *''Knuckles tunnel'': Be very careful not to land on top of the bridge, ice block, or breakable platform to the right.  These are all sprites and will remove your slope glitch.  Also take care not to go too far to the right where the ice block is, because an ice pillar will shut behind you and you won't have enough space to get a quick level wrap (a backup strategy here exists, but it is slower).  Use the 3rd mound from the bridge for the level wrap (the ones before that are not far enough, you'll wind up zipping straight into the bridge and lose slope glitch).  After the wrap, hold right for 1 second, then jump when you see the tunnel just before the boss room.
 '''Boss''': With slope glitch still active, you can gain an upward trajectory from the mound on the left.  Before the boss appears, jump and land on the far left edge of the screen.  As the boss comes down, full jump when his platform is fully visible and land on the small upward slope.  Continue walking to the right using this angle to gain height, then jump near the right edge of the screen and get the 1st hit.  After this hit, fly ''just'' as you start to descend and roll when you land on the platform.  Continue holding left and then jump to the right once you stop rolling for the following hits so you bounce leftward.  After the 5th hit, move left and full jump off, then as you near the jump's apex, hold right and bounce repeatedly for the remaining 3 hits.

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 Click the level names to see videos that demonstrate the single segment routes.
-Unless otherwise stated, you should start each stage with a [[https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Rolling_and_Spindashing 6-tap spin dash]].
+Unless otherwise stated, you should start each stage with a [[Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Rolling_and_Spindashing|6-tap spin dash]].
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 [[File:AI2-2.png|300px|thumb|right|You want to jump from the flat ground and fly up.  If you miss and get launched, taking the two yellow springs is only a tad slower.]]
-Near the two waterfall platforms you want to jump up and fly, then 6-tap off the bridge and jump.  The slope might kill your momentum.  If that happens, release to neutral until you are near the bottom of the slope to prevent activating the [[https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Horizontal_Movement_Lock movement lock]], then 1-tap up the slope.
+Near the two waterfall platforms you want to jump up and fly, then 6-tap off the bridge and jump.  The slope might kill your momentum.  If that happens, release to neutral until you are near the bottom of the slope to prevent activating the [[Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Horizontal_Movement_Lock|movement lock]], then 1-tap up the slope.
 After the last starpost, stand right next to the breakable wall and do a 1-tap spin dash.  Inputs in the tube are not recognized, and the tube can actually do a few different things based on your speed upon entering (faster spin dashes increase the chances of getting bad tube luck) and subpixels.  You can either go very fast unhindered, get slowed down, go fast and then slowed down near the end, or even get sent in reverse.  If you go very fast, simply hold right when exiting.  If you're slowed down, land on the ground and spin dash, then continue to hold right without jumping so that you maintain a high run speed after Robotnik appears.
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 [[File:HC2-3.png|300px|thumb|right|Release when the tube is on the left.]]
-The wall will push you into the floor; continue holding right until you get the [[https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Level_wrap level wrap]] and fall down (you'll see the screen move downward).  At this point face left and rev your spin dash.  At around 0:19 - 0:20 you will see a blue tube on screen, this is when you release the spin dash.  When you get near the boss room, jump to gain a bit of extra height.
+The wall will push you into the floor; continue holding right until you get the [[Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Level_wrap|level wrap]] and fall down (you'll see the screen move downward).  At this point face left and rev your spin dash.  At around 0:19 - 0:20 you will see a blue tube on screen, this is when you release the spin dash.  When you get near the boss room, jump to gain a bit of extra height.
 '''Boss''': Jump out of the water and fly such that you are not at the top of the screen, but close.  If you hit Robotnik at the top, Tails will "stick" to the top and you won't be able to get more hits.  Wait until he comes down a bit and then fly into him repeatedly 4 times.  Mash the buttons quickly after the 3rd hit and move a bit left.  You'll get the 4th hit quicker and get a good bounce down/right to avoid his propeller.  Jump after landing and bounce for the remaining 4 hits.

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 = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj5gYjdjz0A Carnival Night 1] =
+[[File:CN1-1.png|300px|thumb|left|Aim for the blue balloon.  Use the lights above it as guides.]]
 An important tidbit to keep in mind at the start is that you cannot spin dash immediately when landing from Tails's auto flight.  You cannot move for a few frames upon landing, so delay your spin dash appropriately.  A 6-tap here is actually detrimental, but go for it anyway to increase the likelihood of 5-tap speed, then jump and fly into the 3rd or 4th balloon.  When you land on the ring monitors, you will gain rightward momentum automatically from the wheel glitch, so counteract it by tapping left enough to land on the floor just before falling off the ledge.  Remember not to jump, as it removes wheel glitch.
-Stand near the bottom of the slope and do a quick 2-tap and hold right (make sure the spikes are out and not retracted).  Continue holding right until you hit a platform, then switch to left.  When you move around the platform and begin falling left, switch to holding right to grab rings, go through the fire shield, and under the balloons.  Rev once after the fire shield simply to get into spin dash mode, then do a 3-tap after going under the blue ballon.  Note: if you hold down for too long before spin dashing you will break your leftward momentum and fall down.  After the 3-tap, start another spin dash and release it just before the level wrap so as to keep the camera as far right as possible (use background references to help).  After the level wrap, do two more spin dashes to the left, and maintain your position by alternating between left and neutral.  Keep in mind that Tails will move down faster than he walks up, so you should be holding left a bit longer than neutral.
+Stand near the bottom of the slope and do a quick 2-tap and hold right (make sure the spikes are out and not retracted).  Continue holding right until you hit a platform, then switch to left.  When you move around the platform and begin falling left, switch to holding right to grab rings, go through the fire shield, and under the balloons.  Rev once after the fire shield simply to get into spin dash mode, then do a 3-tap after going under the blue ballon.  Note: if you hold down for too long before spin dashing you will break your leftward momentum and fall down.  After the 3-tap, start another spin dash and release it just before the level wrap so as to keep the camera as far right as possible.
 '''Boss''': Hold left and maintain your position just below the ring counter.  Make note of the purplish column in the background.  When the spinning top is to the immediate right of the leftmost column, hold down to roll and land on it.  Alternatively, you can hold left the entire time and then roll as the top bounces off the bottom of the screen.  You will not roll while still moving up, so make sure you release to neutral a bit early.  Hold your spin dash and get hit.  When the top nears the right wall, spin dash into the wall or tap right to push against it and then release immediately (you want to always have the same position on the top).  Depending on your position when you first landed on the top, you will have hit the boss at a different time.  This changes when you have to start walking and the roll off the top onto the boss.
-Hold left as the top bounces from the boss, then time your roll so that you fall off just as the top bounces downward.  This boss is very frame-dependent, so you won't always see the same result.  You'll have to react to the top's bounces and dodge it accordingly.
+[[File:CN1-3.png]] [[File:CN1-4.png]]
 Time to aim for: 0:54
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 = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrPPG3Gw284 Carnival Night 2] =
+[[File:CN2-1.png|300px|thumb|right|You want to stay in between these walls until you reach the boss.]]
 Hold left while exiting the boosters until you land on the cylinder.  After bumping the ceiling in flight, hug the middle of the curve just to the right and fly while holding left.  If you fail and run out of flight, land on the spiral and fall through it, then go to the cylinder and bounce from the balloon again.
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 The biggest (and toughest) jump in this level comes after hitting the red switch and passing the flamethrower.  Roll down the pipe and be sure to jump near the bottom so you break into a run.  This is important as it'll give you aerial control for the upcoming jump.  When running up the pipe, there is a smaller curve near the top.  Jump as late as possible on the curve (just before the flat ground) to get the best trajectory.  If you jump early or from the middle, you risk bumping parts of the ceiling that will force you to fly and land on the starpost platform.  If this happens, you can still save it by reacting and releasing jump before you bump the ceiling, allowing you to retain most of your momentum.
-After getting past the Orbinaut and rolling down the pipe, you want to brake at a certain point.  There is an invisible [https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_game_mechanics_and_glitches#Path_switchers path swapper] here that will enable you to go left without going up the pipe you came.  When jumping into the spinning platform, jump from the middle of the curve so you get the best trajectory on your flight.
+After getting past the Orbinaut and rolling down the pipe, you want to brake at a certain point.  There is an invisible [[Sonic_the_Hedgehog_game_mechanics_and_glitches#Path_switchers|path swapper]] here that will enable you to go left without going up the pipe you came.  When jumping into the spinning platform, jump from the middle of the curve so you get the best trajectory on your flight.
 Near the end, after taking the spinning platform up, you'll do the last big jump.  Where you jump from is not as important as the position of the screen; you need to make sure the screen does not drop down past a certain point.  Ideally you want to jump just as you hit the downward curve before the last starpost, so that you get the perfect flight.  Jump too late and you'll be too low, so earlier is better here.  After the jump, hold left briefly so you reduce the chance of bumping into the wall.

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 [[File:MG1-2.png|300px|thumb|center|Jump when you see this.]]
-After using the fire shield to enter the wall, hold left to [[https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Zip zip]] to the right.  Jump from the slope until you go past the center of the rotating platforms, then fly to the right.  Continue and fall in the mud, then full jump just before bumping the wall and fly right before the apex of the jump.
+After using the fire shield to enter the wall, hold left to [[Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Zip|zip]] to the right.  Jump from the slope until you go past the center of the rotating platforms, then fly to the right.  Continue and fall in the mud, then full jump just before bumping the wall and fly right before the apex of the jump.
 [[File:MG1-3.png]] [[File:MG1-4.png]]

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 *Hit the spring without holding anything, then hold left midway through (slightly faster, but big risk of the slope stopping you).
-When doing the [[Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Screen_wrap screen wrap]], you want to hold right and jump when the black background is towards the left.
+When doing the [[Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Screen_wrap|screen wrap]], you want to hold right and jump when the black background is towards the left.
 [[File:MG1-2.png|300px|thumb|center|Jump when you see this.]]

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 = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ebm4nExdY Marble Garden 1] =
-Follow the path normally.  When you get near the yellow diagonal spring, there are two options:
+Follow the path normally.  When you get near the yellow diagonal spring, there are two options: [[File:MG1-1.png|300px|thumb|right|You can make this cycle if you get here quick enough.  Otherwise let the platform move up.]]
 *Jump from the slanted ground just before the spring.  Bump into the wall, hold left, and then fly right before touching the ceiling.  This will let you clear the blue spinner and land on the slope without risk of your momentum being interrupted.
 *Hit the spring without holding anything, then hold left midway through (slightly faster, but big risk of the slope stopping you).
-When doing the [[https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Screen_wrap screen wrap]], you want to hold right and jump when the black background is more or less near the center.  After using the fire shield to enter the wall, hold left to [[https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Zip zip]] to the right.  Jump from the slope until you are in the middle of the rotating platforms, then fly to the right.  Continue and fall in the mud, then full jump just before bumping the wall and fly right before the apex of the jump.
+When doing the [[https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Screen_wrap screen wrap]], you want to hold right and jump when the black background is towards the left.
-'''Boss''': You'll come into this room rolling.  Make note of the uneven ground; if you jump from the wrong spot you'll miss the first hit entirely.  You want to get 5 hits before he goes off screen (6 is possible, but it will actually result in a bad pattern for the act 2 boss).  He will always appear on the far left, so fly up and stay at the top of the screen.  If you only got 4 hits, stand on the left and hit him between the drills.
+[[File:MG1-2.png|300px|thumb|center|Jump when you see this.]]
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 = [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWG1hmbWbnI Hydrocity 2] =
-Spin dash immediately.  You can deal with the upcoming slope in a few different ways:
+Spin dash immediately.  You can deal with the upcoming slope in a few different ways: [[File:HC2-1.png|300px|thumb|right|The wall should be aligned with the top of the slope.]]
 *Bump the ceiling before it to break into a run, this way you can slow down a little and control your jump.
 *Jump from a very specific part of the slope to get the correct trajectory (riskier and not faster).
-You should hit the starpost at 0:07, then trigger the wall.  When the bottom of the wall aligns with the top of the slope, full jump left and hold right while against the wall, then swim just before the apex of your jump.  You should get pushed into the ground and die from an invisible object.  The time of the screen fadeout should be 0:12.  When you return, a simple 1-tap, low jump, and roll will suffice.  Jump and start swimming just before reaching the apex, holding right the entire time.  You want to touch the rings just when you hit the apex.  The wall will push you into the floor; continue holding right until you get the [[https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Sonic_the_Hedgehog/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches#Level_wrap level wrap]] and fall down (you'll see the screen move downward).  At this point face left and rev your spin dash.  At around 0:20 you will see a blue tube on screen, this is when you release the spin dash.  When you get near the boss room, jump to gain a bit of extra height.
+You should hit the starpost at 0:07, then trigger the wall.  When the bottom of the wall aligns with the top of the slope, full jump left towards the wall, then hold right and swim just before the apex of your jump.  You should get pushed into the ground and die from an invisible object.  The time of the screen fadeout should be 0:12.  When you return, a simple 1-tap, low jump, and roll will suffice.  Jump and start swimming just before reaching the apex, holding right the entire time.  You want to touch the rings just when you hit the apex.
 '''Boss''': Jump out of the water and fly such that you are not at the top of the screen, but close.  If you hit Robotnik at the top, Tails will "stick" to the top and you won't be able to get more hits.  Wait until he comes down a bit and then fly into him repeatedly 4 times.  Mash the buttons quickly after the 3rd hit and move a bit left.  You'll get the 4th hit quicker and get a good bounce down/right to avoid his propeller.  Jump after landing and bounce for the remaining 4 hits.
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