NES capture - Revision history

Mr. K at 04:31, 4 April 2015

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Ktwo: /* Regional differences */

2013-10-25T14:58:44Z

‎Regional differences

Ktwo at 14:57, 25 October 2013

2013-10-25T14:57:03Z

Ktwo at 14:53, 25 October 2013

2013-10-25T14:53:33Z

Mr. K: /* A word of caution */

2013-06-09T16:16:30Z

‎A word of caution

Mr. K at 15:40, 17 May 2013

2013-05-17T15:40:11Z

Mr. K at 15:39, 17 May 2013

2013-05-17T15:39:30Z

Mr. K at 03:21, 16 May 2013

2013-05-16T03:21:20Z

Mr. K at 03:08, 16 May 2013

2013-05-16T03:08:58Z

Mr. K at 03:08, 16 May 2013

2013-05-16T03:08:27Z

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 |'''A/V Outputs'''
-|Composite, RF
+|Composite, RF, S-Video(with modding), RGB via Scart (with modding)
 |-
 |'''Framerate'''

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 == Regional differences ==
 As with most old consoles, this system was released as different versions in the different regions. The three biggest are pal (Europe, Australia etc), ntsc-u (US etc) and ntsc-j (Japan). The latter goes under the name of famicom. Without special adapters, the game and console version must in general be the same in order to run. Most (or all?) of said adapters are not allowed for sda-submissions. Most games are identical on the different versions, but there are both minor and major differences for many games. There are no rules for this and has to be investigated on a case-by-case basis. The pal-version runs at 50 Hz though, which means that the games are slowed down compared to the other versions. It's therefore difficult to compare with speedruns done on the ntsc-versions.<br />
-While it might be difficult (and expensive) to get hold of an ntsc-machine in Europe and other places with the pal-system, it's easy to make it work. The only troublesome part is the power supply. It's not advisable to try and plug an ntsc power adapter into the wall socket in a pal-country. Luckily, output of the ntsc and pal power adapters is identical. This means you can use a pal power adapter together with an ntsc console. An alternative is to use a transformer between the wall socket and an ntsc power adapter. That is likely more expensive than buying a pal power adapter though.
+While it might be difficult (and expensive) to get hold of an ntsc-machine in Europe and other places with the pal-system, it's easy to make it work. The only troublesome part is the power supply. It's not adviseable to try and plug an ntsc power adapter into the wall socket in a pal-country. Luckily, the outputs of the ntsc and pal power adapters are identical. This means you can use a pal power adapter together with an ntsc console. An alternative is to use a transformer between the wall socket and an ntsc power adapter. That is likely more expensive than buying a pal power adapter though.
 == A word of caution ==

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 == Regional differences ==
-As with most old consoles, this system was released as different versions in the different regions. The three biggest are pal (Europe, Australia etc), ntsc-u (US etc) and ntsc-j (Japan). The latter goes under the name of famicom and the games are not compatible with the other two versions. Most games are identical on the different versions, but there are both minor and major differences for many games. There are no rules for this and has to be investigated on a case-by-case basis. The pal-version runs at 50 Hz though, which means that the games are slowed down compared to the other versions. It's therefore difficult to compare with speedruns done on the ntsc-versions.<br />
+As with most old consoles, this system was released as different versions in the different regions. The three biggest are pal (Europe, Australia etc), ntsc-u (US etc) and ntsc-j (Japan). The latter goes under the name of famicom. Without special adapters, the game and console version must in general be the same in order to run. Most (or all?) of said adapters are not allowed for sda-submissions. Most games are identical on the different versions, but there are both minor and major differences for many games. There are no rules for this and has to be investigated on a case-by-case basis. The pal-version runs at 50 Hz though, which means that the games are slowed down compared to the other versions. It's therefore difficult to compare with speedruns done on the ntsc-versions.<br />
 While it might be difficult (and expensive) to get hold of an ntsc-machine in Europe and other places with the pal-system, it's easy to make it work. The only troublesome part is the power supply. It's not advisable to try and plug an ntsc power adapter into the wall socket in a pal-country. Luckily, output of the ntsc and pal power adapters is identical. This means you can use a pal power adapter together with an ntsc console. An alternative is to use a transformer between the wall socket and an ntsc power adapter. That is likely more expensive than buying a pal power adapter though.

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 |NES, NES-101 (Toploader)
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 == A word of caution ==

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 == A word of caution ==
-The Nintendo Entertainment System (all models) outputs a video signal that is 240 lines of resolution.  Recording this should not be a problem if you are using a standard definition capture device (one that only has composite/S-Video inputs) or a DVD recorder.  You may run into problems if you are using a capture device that is designed to record high definition footage to try and record video from your NES.   Most high definition video capture devices do not support video resolutions that are this low.  Unless your high definition capture device explicitly lists support for 240 lines of resolution, it is safe to assume that it will not be able to record video from the NES and you will need a standard definition capture device to record the footage.  Two commonly used capture devices that support 240 lines of resolution are the Dazzle DVC100 and the Ez-Cap.
+The Nintendo Entertainment System (all models) outputs a video signal that is 240 lines of resolution.  This should not be a problem if you are using a DVD recorder to record gameplay, but it may be an issue if you are using a video capture device.  Not all capture devices support this resolution.  Many standard definition capture devices are able to detect and record video footage at this resolution, however some are not.  It is also very uncommon for high definition capture devices to be able to detect and record video footage at this resolution.  We are currently gathering a list of capture devices and including whether or not they support 240 lines of resolution [https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/capture_device_compendium_tell_me_about_your_capture_device.html here.]
 == Nintendo Entertainment System ==

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 ==NES-101 (NES 2 Toploader) ==
-[[Image:Snes2.jpg]] <br />
+[[Image:NESToploader.JPG]] <br />
 The redesign of the NES offers some dramatic improvements in the reliability of loading games, but takes a major step back in video quality.  The NES-101, also known as the top loader or the NES II featured a new top loading system for inserting cartridges.  The NES II also uses a new and more reliable 72 pin connector.  Nintendo also eliminated the lockout chip.  These improvements allow the top loader to successfully load games much more consistently than the standard NES.  Unfortunately Nintendo eliminated the Composite Video output.  The only video output the top loader has is RF.
 It is possible to modify the NES Toploader to add composite video output and RCA audio out.  This will allow for the Toploader to output video and audio that is of the same quality as the original NES.  This modification is acceptable by SDA's rules.  You can perform the modification yourself by following [http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/nes2avmod.htm the steps here.]  There are people online that will do it for you for a [https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/offering_nes_top_loader_av_mod_service.html reasonable price]
 [[Image:TopLoaderMod.JPG|frame|middle| A modified NES toploader]] If you absolutely cannot get your NES Toploader modified, you can use a VCR to convert the RF signal to a RCA composite video and audio outputs.  Connect the RF input from the console to your VCR and then connect your RCA cables to the A/V out section of your VCR to your splitters or DVD recorders.  The quality of your footage will suffer because of this. <br /> [[Image:Jailbars.JPG|frame|left| A sample of the vertical lines or jailbars you get with RF video]]