Mighty Bomb Jack (NES)/normal ending - Revision history

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‎Corridor 5

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‎King's room

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Ktwo: /* Palace room 3 */

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‎Palace room 3

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‎Palace room 16

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 * 3 - Blocking the passage and you need to wait for the mummy to drop out of the way
 * 4-6 - Easily avoided by jumping over
-The faster Jack gets here, the more to the left the mummy will spawn. So if the mummy frequently blocks the way, the solution will be to go faster.<br /><br />
+While the exact game mechanics of the mummies' spawn location haven't been described at the time of writing this, it seems like the faster Jack gets here, the more to the left the mummy will spawn. So if the mummy frequently blocks the way, the solution will probably (?) be to go faster.<br /><br />
 The other enemy that can create a problem is if a mummy spawns to the right of the sphinx around here:<br />

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 ==Level-by-level description==
-To shorten down the text I will use some references below. Numbers refer to the bomb numbers in the [[Mighty_Bomb_Jack_%28NES%29/Palace_room_bomb_sequences|Palace room bomb sequences]]. The tases for the best ending and the normal ending are referred to as tasbe and tasne, respectively.
+To shorten down the text some abbrevations and references will be used below. Numbers refer to the bomb numbers in the [[Mighty_Bomb_Jack_%28NES%29/Palace_room_bomb_sequences|Palace room bomb sequences]]. The tases for the best ending and the normal ending are referred to as tasbe and tasne, respectively.
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 ==Palace room 3==
-https://vimeo.com/946752026<br /><br />
+https://vimeo.com/946752026<br />
-−
 The following route is considerably more difficult as it requires tight movement to be able to jump over the first mummy, but can be done quickly with tight execution: https://youtu.be/PS-R9qCVly0?t=88<br />
 This route is in theory slightly slower than the first one. But in a real-time attempt, individual execution will determine which one works better for each player.
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 ==Palace room 4==
 The palace room warp is not used here, since there is a shortcut in corridor 5.<br />
-https://vimeo.com/946752056 - Most of the time, the mummy will drop down on the right side and can then be in the way when collecting the last three bombs, depending on how fast you clear the room. It's unknown if there is a way to manipulate the mummy in real-time.<br />
+https://vimeo.com/946752056 - Most of the time, the mummy will drop down on the right side and can then be in the way when collecting the last three bombs, depending on how fast you clear the room. The mummies' movement pattern are not understood in detail at the time of writing and no manipulation is therefore possible.<br />
 https://vimeo.com/946752034 - Alternative method that is a little over a second slower, but avoids close enemy encounters since the P-ball is collected along the way.
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 ==Corridor 5==
 ===5-1===
-https://vimeo.com/946751774<br /><br />
+https://vimeo.com/946751774<br />
+Upgrading to orange Jack and run through the last chest should save around half a second or so. There are alternative jump sequences near the end (by first jumping to the right). They're time-wise very similar, so it will be up to each player to test out which one works better and is faster for them.<br /><br />
 Upgrading to orange Jack and run through the last chest should save around half a second or so. There are alternative jump sequences near the end (by first jumping to the right). They're time-wise very similar, so it will up to each player to test out which one works better and is faster for them.<br /><br />
 The last enemy's spawn position depends on how fast you get to the end of the room. There is a short time window during which a mummy will spawn right around the last chest, effectively blocking the way. The only way around this is either to turn into green Jack or maneuver around it, for a time loss. If this happens frequently, climbing the room faster (or slower...) will prevent it.<br />
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 nd passage: https://vimeo.com/946751829 - By collecting enough bombs (bomb value = 20), the sphinx chest will produce a P-ball, which eliminates any enemies interfering when returning after collecting the sphinx. Since the bomb count is reset after the P-effect is over, it also makes it easier to manipulate the P-ball spawn in palace room 11.<br />
 rd passage: https://vimeo.com/946751853 - It's important to use the same route so the same bombs are collected. Or else the P-ball spawn in palace room 11 will be impacted. There is some leeway on the bombs to collect, so it's worth remembering the most common scenarios and resulting actions.<br />
-Alt 5-2 end: https://vimeo.com/946751869 - Going the lower route at the end is a little over a tenth of a second faster, but also misses out on a mighty coin. At least in real-time, collecting the mighty coin here in 5-2 and then use it in 5-5 should be normally be faster.<br /><br />
+Alt 5-2 end: https://vimeo.com/946751869 - Going the lower route at the end is a little over a tenth of a second faster, but also misses out on a mighty coin. At least in real-time, collecting the mighty coin here in 5-2 and then use it in 5-5 should normally be faster.<br /><br />
 There are typically two enemy spawns in 5-2 that can interfere and are therefore worth taking a closer look at.<br /><br />
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 * 1 - Hold down left when running on the chest and you should pass by under the mummy
-* 2 - If the enemy spawns slightly to the left, it can be cleared by holding left and down when running on the chest. It's often blocking the passage though and you need for the mummy to drop down before jumping over it.
+* 2 - If the enemy spawns slightly to the left, it can be cleared by holding left and down when running on the chest. It's often blocking the passage though and you need to wait for the mummy to drop down before jumping over it.
 * 3 - Blocking the passage and you need to wait for the mummy to drop out of the way
 * 4-6 - Easily avoided by jumping over
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 ===5-5===
-https://vimeo.com/946751890 - The bombs collected are still part of the route to manipulate the P-ball in palace room 11.
+https://vimeo.com/946751890 - The bombs collected are still part of the route to manipulate the P-ball in palace room 11. If needed for setting up the P-ball in PR11, note that you can easily collect another bomb during the second jump for another bomb point.
 ===5-7 (and 11-3)===
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 ==Palace room 13==
 The strategy in this room is to adjust the number of A-presses when traversing to the left side and then dropping down to the floor in order to manipulate the enemy counter. Clearing the room as quickly as possible requires that the first enemy transforms into either a bird or a skull. If lobsters start appearing, it will be very tricky to clear the room efficiently (or at all!), while the other enemy types can be dealt with, but usually requiring additional dodging. However, only the skull and bird cases will be described here:<br /><br />
 The following A-presses will set it up so the first mummy transforms into a bird or skull:
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 |PR12
 |7
-|The number of A-presses for alternative solution can be adjusted manually when running across the ceiling.<br /> So any player preferring that solution will have to come up with their own schedule of A-presses.
+|The number of A-presses for the alternative solution can be adjusted manually when running across the <br />ceiling. So any player preferring that solution will have to come up with their own schedule of A-presses.
 |-
 |Total
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 * If the enemy appearing in 5-2 was <u>after</u> the sphinx (left screenshot in the 5-2 section), the enemy counter when entering PR13 will be +1 (and not +2 or +3). For example, the left screenshot in section 5-2 shows a jellyfish, which corresponds to the enemy counter being 2. The enemy counter when entering PR13 will therefore be 3. By looking in the first table, applying the A-press pattern "4+1+1" in PR13 will result in the first three enemies being skull/fireball/fireball.
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 It's difficult to say whether bird/bat/bat or skull/fireball/fireball is to prefer. The bird tends to interfere more than the skull. But the fireballs on the other hand tend to be more often in the way than the bats.
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 ==Palace room 16==
-There are several routes that are similarly fast in real-time. Which one to choose will be a personal choice depending on the execution involved and the risk of enemy interference.
+There are several routes that are about equally fast in real-time. Which one to choose will be a personal choice depending on the execution involved and the risk of enemy interference.
 # https://vimeo.com/946751732
 # https://vimeo.com/946752208
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 ===Enemy counter setup for corridor 17===
--1, 17-2 and the king's room benefit from enemy manipulation. By following the routes shown on this page, the enemy counter when exiting PR13 is either 0 (if the first enemy was a bird) or 4 (if the first enemy was a skull). The rest of the game can then easily be routed with a set number of A-presses and adding additional ones to manipulate the enemy counter. Of the rooms before corridor 17, PR16 is the best suited for additional A-presses:
+By manipulating the enemies in corridor 17, one can skip the mighty coin in 17-2, which is minor time save (a tenth or two). By following the routes shown on this page, the enemy counter when exiting PR13 is either 0 (if the first enemy was a bird) or 4 (if the first enemy was a skull). The rest of the game can then easily be routed with a set number of A-presses and adding additional ones to manipulate the enemy counter. Of the rooms before corridor 17, PR16 is the best suited for additional A-presses:
 * If the first enemy in PR13 was a bird, the first enemy in 17-1 will be a skull. This is probably the best enemy in 17-1, so no additional A-presses are needed.
 * If the first enemy in PR13 was a skull, the first enemy in 17-1 will be a lobster. The enemy counter is two behind the case above. It's recommended to add two A-presses in PR16. This can easily be done at the very start of the room, during the first hover (but can also be done elsewhere without time loss).

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 ==Corridor 5==
 ===5-1===
-https://vimeo.com/946751774 - Upgrading to orange Jack and run through the last chest should save around half a second or so. There are alternative jump sequences near the end (by first jumping to the right). They're time-wise very similar, so it will up to each player to test out which one works better and is faster for them. The last enemy's spawn position depends on how fast you get to the end of the room. There is a short time window during which a mummy will spawn right around the last chest, effectively blocking the way. The only way around this is either to turn into green Jack or maneuver around it, for a time loss. If this happens frequently, climbing the room faster (or slower...) will prevent it.
+https://vimeo.com/946751774<br /><br />
 ===5-2===
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 ===5-7 (and 11-3)===
 https://vimeo.com/946751910 - Other jump sequences are possible and faster, depending on how tight the platforming can be executed. It's individual what will be fastest for each player.
 ==Palace room 11==

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	===King's room===		===King's room===
−	https://vimeo.com/946751980 - The enemy counter has been manipulated to a value of 5 upon entering this room. In the linked video, this produces first a lobster and then a bird, which is an enemy combination that can easily be cleared without ~~using any mighty coins~~.Please note that individual execution will impact how many A-presses can be done in this room before the first two enemies transform. So each player will have to try out themself which is the preferred enemy counter value to enter this room on.	+	https://vimeo.com/946751980 - The enemy counter has been manipulated to a value of 5 upon entering this room. In the linked video, this produces first a lobster and then a bird, which is an enemy combination that can easily be cleared without turning into green Jack. Please note that individual execution will impact how many A-presses can be done in this room before the first two enemies transform. So each player will have to try out themself which is the preferred enemy counter value to enter this room on.

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 https://vimeo.com/946752026<br /><br />
-The following route is a few tenths faster, but considerably more difficult as it requires tight movement to be able to jump over the first mummy: https://youtu.be/PS-R9qCVly0?t=88
+The following route is considerably more difficult as it requires tight movement to be able to jump over the first mummy, but can be done quickly with tight execution: https://youtu.be/PS-R9qCVly0?t=88<br />
 ==Palace room 4==

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 The third has the potential to result in the fastest solution, but you generally need to pause briefly inside the inner space to wait for a mummy to drop out of the way. With #1, one usually, but not always, avoids having to deal with any transformed enemies.<br /><br />
-''Note - If you only hold right on the d-pad when the room starts, there is a roughly 50% chance to get stuck for 1 frame on the first platform. This is related to sub-values that are not known to be possible to manipulate in real-time. This is however easily avoided by holding up at the same time (or press A) when the room starts.''
+''Note - If you only hold right on the d-pad when the room starts, there is a roughly 50% chance to get stuck for 1 frame on the first platform. This is related to sub-values that are not known to be possible to manipulate in real-time. This is however easily avoided by holding up at the same time (or press A) when the room starts.''<br /><br />
 ==Corridor 17==

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 ===17-1 and 17-2===
-If coming into round 17 with 2 mighty coins: https://vimeo.com/946752230. Clearing 17-1 without using any mighty coins fairly quick tapping on the A-button to destroy the blocks above the sphinx fast enough. Some enemies can follow Jack down in the created shaft, requiring even faster tapping to get out of the way fast enough.<br /><br />
+If coming into round 17 with 2 mighty coins: https://vimeo.com/946751931. Some enemies require faster mashing to dig down to the sphinx. This can be mitigated by manipulating the enemy counter (see comments for PR16). Because of the skull's "AI", it will always disappear off-screen in this room. Manipulating the first enemy to be a skull is therefore a safe way to get enough space for getting to the sphinx.<br /><br />
-If coming into round 17 with 3 mighty coins:https://vimeo.com/946751950. Essentially a safer way to deal with this section, at the expense of spending time earlier in the game to collect an additional mighty coin in 5-2 at the cost of a little over 0.1s.<br /><br />
+If coming into round 17 with 3 mighty coins:https://vimeo.com/946751950. Essentially a safer way to deal with this section, at the expense of spending time earlier in the game by not transforming to orange Jack in 5-5. Using the coin in 5-5 should save a few tenths of a second, while using the mighty coin here in 17-1 doesn't save any time, but can be safer.<br /><br />
-−
-Another possibility when coming into round 17 with 3 mighty coins: https://youtu.be/PS-R9qCVly0?t=380.
 ===17-1 (second visit)===

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 ==Palace room 13==
-The strategy in this room is to adjust the number of A-presses when traversing to the left side and then dropping down to the floor in order to manipulate the enemy counter. Clearing the room as quickly possible requires that the first enemy transforms into either a bird or a skull. If lobsters start appearing, it will be very tricky to clear the room efficiently (or at all!), while the other enemy types can be dealt with, but usually requiring additional dodging. However, only the skull and bird cases will be described here:<br /><br />
+The strategy in this room is to adjust the number of A-presses when traversing to the left side and then dropping down to the floor in order to manipulate the enemy counter. Clearing the room as quickly as possible requires that the first enemy transforms into either a bird or a skull. If lobsters start appearing, it will be very tricky to clear the room efficiently (or at all!), while the other enemy types can be dealt with, but usually requiring additional dodging. However, only the skull and bird cases will be described here:<br /><br />
 The following A-presses will set it up so the first mummy transforms into a bird or skull:
-* Enemy counter = 0 - 3x A-presses to get to the left side + 1x A-press inside the first alcove on the left side + 1x A-press in the second alcove on the left side => Bird
+{| class="wikitable"
-* 1 - 5+1+1+1 (the last A-press done in the bottom left alcove) => Skull
+|'''Enemy couter at the start of the room'''
-* 2 - 5+1+1 => Skull
+|'''A-press pattern'''
-* 3 - 4+1+1 => Skull
+|'''3 first enemies'''
-* 4 - 5+1+1 => Bird
+|-
-* 5 - 4+1+1 => Bird
+|0
-It's of course possible to play around with the A-presses to manipulate more bird or skull cases, depending on personal preference.
+|3+1+1
-https://vimeo.com/946752111 (bird) - The two "bats" on the right side can either start going left or right (each one random 50/50?). If one or both start going right, they will be in the way when collecting the four bombs in the bottom right. If they start going left (like in the linked video), they can however be ignored. The bird can also interfere. However, with practice, the room can be cleared fast enough so the bird doesn't interfere.<br /><br />
+Knowledge about the enemy counter can either be gained in PR12 or in 5-2. The comments for PR12 should be enough to explain how it's done in that room. If the enemy counter was observed all the way back in 5-2 (in order to use one of the faster solutions in PR12), the number of A-presses until PR13 needs to be strictly routed. Let's start with the case of an enemy appearing <u>before</u> the sphinx in 5-2. This is the number of A-presses that are used in each room before PR13 if following the route shown on this page:<br />
-https://vimeo.com/946752131 (skull) - If not moving through the room quickly enough, the skull will be in the way when leaving the second alcove from the top of the right side. A safer, but slower, way is to let the skull pass by overhead (see solution below). The fireballs in the lower right alcove can be in the way, just like the "bats" in the "bird" case above. Their initial horizontal movement direction appears to be random (50/50?) and if one or both start moving right, they often end up blocking Jack.<br /><br />
+https://vimeo.com/946752111 (bird/bat/bat) - The two "bats" on the right side can either start going left or right (each one random 50/50?). If one or both start going right, they will be in the way when collecting the four bombs in the bottom right. If they start going left (like in the linked video), they can however be ignored. The bird can also interfere. However, with practice, the room can be cleared fast enough so the bird doesn't interfere.<br /><br />
-https://vimeo.com/946752144 (skull, safer and slower method) - Usually 0.5-1s slower than the routes above.
+https://vimeo.com/946752131 (skull/fireball/fireball) - If not moving through the room quickly enough, the skull will be in the way when leaving the second alcove from the top of the right side. A safer, but slower, way is to let the skull pass by overhead (see solution below). The fireballs in the lower right alcove can be in the way, just like the "bats" in the "bird" case above. Their initial horizontal movement direction appears to be random (50/50?) and if one or both start moving right, they often end up blocking Jack.<br /><br />
 ==Palace room 14==

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 ==Palace room 12==
-https://vimeo.com/946752093<br />
+https://vimeo.com/946752093 (safe)<br />
 This route contains intentional slowdown(s) to set up an enemy manipulation in palace room 13. There are four cases to consider:
 # The first mummy transformed into an enemy just before Jack reached the exit (as in the linked video). The enemy counter is the SAME as the enemy type that just spawned.
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 The first case is the ideal one since it finishes the room as fast as possible, while still providing information about the enemy counter to set up an enemy manipulation in room 13. When playing conservatively, one might consider the second case as it's easy to set up by intentionally pausing before the last jump to ensure an enemy transformation takes place and thereby avoid the uncertainty of the third and fourth case.<br /><br />
-https://vimeo.com/1038311933<br />
+https://vimeo.com/1038311933 (alt 1 - advanced)<br />
 Alternative room solution that is a bit over half a second faster than the solution above. The downside is that normally no mummy transforms before you exit, meaning going into PR13 without knowing the value of the enemy counter. This can be mitigated by starting an enemy manipulation from the third visit of 5-2. It's a more advanced strat since it requires following the route very strictly to avoid losing track of the enemy counter. See comments under 5-2 and PR13 for how the enemy manipulation works.<br /><br />
-https://vimeo.com/946752082<br />
+https://vimeo.com/946752082 (alt 2 - advanced)<br />
 This is another alternative solution. The last jump can be a bit tricky at first, but gets more manageable with practice. You need to wiggle back and forth mid-jump as Jack's hitbox stretches a bit outside the sprite, which allows collecting bombs #4 and #5. A pure diagonal jump won't work. This solution should be about equally fast as the previous one. Individual execution skill might determine which one is faster. The previous solution is easier to execute though.<br /><br />