Mighty Bomb Jack (NES)/best ending - Revision history

Ktwo: /* Clearing the royal rooms without using any mighty coins */

2025-03-09T12:28:05Z

‎Clearing the royal rooms without using any mighty coins

Ktwo: /* Clearing the royal rooms without using any mighty coins */

2025-01-07T13:21:25Z

‎Clearing the royal rooms without using any mighty coins

Ktwo: /* S-coin route discussion */

2025-01-07T13:19:40Z

‎S-coin route discussion

Ktwo: /* READ THIS FIRST */

2024-11-16T17:55:57Z

‎READ THIS FIRST

Ktwo: /* READ THIS FIRST */

2024-11-15T12:31:42Z

‎READ THIS FIRST

Ktwo: /* Round 15 */

2024-11-15T11:47:57Z

‎Round 15

Ktwo: /* Round 4 */

2024-11-15T11:45:03Z

‎Round 4

Ktwo: /* Round 11 */

2024-11-15T11:37:26Z

‎Round 11

Ktwo: /* Round 16 */

2024-11-12T21:15:54Z

‎Round 16

Ktwo: /* S-coin route discussion */

2024-11-12T16:55:55Z

‎S-coin route discussion

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 |Bat
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-While the enemies spawning come down to individual execution, one can expect typically four positions in the enemy cycle between each enemy, with three and five (?) also possible. Based on the assessment made, no combination looks great. By introducing various dodging or pauses, more possibilities open up. However, with "only" around 2s of potential time, the room to maneuver is limited.<br /><br />
+While the enemies spawning come down to individual execution, one can expect typically four positions in the enemy cycle between each enemy, with three and five (?) also possible. Based on the assessment made, no combination looks great. By introducing various dodging or pauses, more possibilities open up. However, with "only" around 2s of potential time save, the room to maneuver is limited.<br /><br />
 Belzebut's room is also problematic without transforming to green Jack. Again, all four enemies need to be considered.

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 Total: ~3630f +5 mighty coins<br /><br />
-<u>5 - Exit the pyramid to be able to death abuse twice in 17-1 and S in 7-10</u><br />
+<u>5 - Exit the labyrinth to be able to death abuse twice in 17-1 and S in 7-10</u><br />
-https://vimeo.com/1027696078 (exit the pyramid)<br />
+https://vimeo.com/1027696078 (exit the labyrinth)<br />
 https://vimeo.com/1027035970 (7-10)<br />
 https://vimeo.com/1027692678 (17-1)<br />
-~2700f (exit the pyramid) +2 mighty coins, 2x600f (17-1) and ~1100f +2 mighty coins (7-10)<br />
+~2700f +2 mighty coins (exit the pyramid), ~1100f +2 mighty coins (7-10) and 2x600f (17-1)<br />
 Total: ~5000f +4 mighty coins<br /><br />

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 * The enemy manipulations in the route described on this page will not work if they occur when the A-counter rolls over (see note for [[Mighty_Bomb_Jack_(NES)/Game_Mechanics#Transformed_enemies|transformed enemies]]). By following the suggested route, the A-counter rolls over at the start of 12-1 (first visit) and in Belzebut's room. These locations are relatively far away from any enemy manipulations and are therefore of no consequence. However, it's still recommended to not excessively press A, other than when needed.
 * The full description of the category described on this page would be "Best ending with warps and death abuse of the U-version".
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 * The room solutions demonstrated on this page are sometimes a compromise between risk and reward. At the time of writing, there is generally no TAS solution that can't be replicated with enough practice and/or finger speed, so it's also recommended to check out the latest TASes (linked in [[Mighty_Bomb_Jack_%28NES%29/Additional_Resources_mbj|additional resources]]).
 * The enemy manipulations in the route described on this page will not work if they occur when the A-counter rolls over (see note for [[Mighty_Bomb_Jack_(NES)/Game_Mechanics#Transformed_enemies|transformed enemies]]). By following the suggested route, the A-counter rolls over at the start of 12-1 (first visit) and in Belzebut's room. These locations are relatively far away from any enemy manipulations and are therefore of no consequence. However, it's still recommended to not excessively press A, other than when needed.
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 =Round 15=
 https://vimeo.com/1027036495<br />
-The palace room warp is not used and the room can therefore be cleared faster than in the normal ending run.
+The palace room warp is not used here and the room can therefore be cleared faster than in the normal ending run. See the [[Mighty_Bomb_Jack_(NES)/best_ending#S-coin_route_discussion|S-coin section]] for the reasoning behind entering corridor 16 to collect two more S-coins.
 =Round 16=

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 =Round 4=
 https://vimeo.com/1027036331<br />
-With a bit of practice, it should be possible to complete up to this round with the same number of A-presses every time. This can be used to determine the first enemy that will spawn in palace room 5 (you want to avoid a bat or fireball). An additional A-press before exiting PR4 is an easy way to mitigate if you think an unwanted enemy type will spawn in PR5.
+* With a bit of practice, it should be possible to complete up to this round with the same number of A-presses every time. This can be used to determine the first enemy that will spawn in palace room 5 (you want to avoid a bat or fireball). An additional A-press before exiting PR4 is an easy way to mitigate if you think an unwanted enemy type will spawn in PR5.
 =Round 5=

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 =Round 11=
 https://vimeo.com/1027036414<br />
-It's in theory very slightly faster to collect the bombs in order '1', '24', '23', '12', '11' and '13' instead of as shown here (reference made to numbering of bombs [[Mighty_Bomb_Jack_(NES)/Palace_room_bomb_sequences#Palace_room_11|here]]). It does however require slightly better execution. There is also a cap on how fast you can clear the room. If you're too fast, the last mummy (in the upper right) will start walking right, blocking the access to the three bombs on the top right platform.
+* It's in theory very slightly faster to collect the bombs in order '1', '24', '23', '12', '11' and '13' instead of as shown here (reference made to numbering of bombs [[Mighty_Bomb_Jack_(NES)/Palace_room_bomb_sequences#Palace_room_11|here]]). It does however require slightly better execution. There is also a cap on how fast you can clear the room. If you're too fast, the last mummy (in the upper right) will start walking right, blocking the access to the three bombs on the top right platform.
 =Round 12=

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 Palace room 16 https://vimeo.com/1027036521<br />
-* There are several alternative room solutions by starting to clear the center section first. Some solutions are very close in time to the one shown, but generally puts Jack closer to enemies and therefore could be considered less consistent.
+* Clearing the center section first is slightly faster in theory. However, it puts Jack closer to enemies and is therefore less consistent.
-* Dropping down to the floor at the start is slightly unoptimal, but moving to the right too quickly will trigger the first mummy to walk right instead of left, making the jump to the top tricky to pull off.
+* Dropping down to the floor at the start is slightly unoptimal, but moving to the right too quickly will trigger the first mummy to walk right instead of left, making the jump to the top tricky to pull off (but still doable).
-* Depending on the enemy type that spawned in 16-2, compensate with the following number of A-presses at the start of the room:
+* Depending on the enemy type that spawned in 16-2, compensate with the following number of A-presses at the start of the room to set up for an enemy manipulation in corridor 17 (and the royal rooms):
 ** Bat - 4
 ** Lobster - 3

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 https://vimeo.com/1027692641 (corridor 5)<br />
 https://vimeo.com/1027692678 (17-1)<br />
-~3250f +3 (maybe 4?) mighty coins for corridor 5 and ~650f for the S-coin in 17-1 (a death abuse in 5-1 would also have been possible, but costs ~850f and won't be considered here).<br />
+~3250f +4 mighty coins (3 if you need to use an extra at the last sphinx, as in the video) for corridor 5 and ~600f for the S-coin in 17-1 (a death abuse in 5-1 would also have been possible, but costs ~850f and won't be considered here).<br />
-Total: ~3900f +3 (4?) mighty coins<br /><br />
+Total: ~3850f +3 or 4 mighty coins<br /><br />
 <u>2 - Corridor 11 (S-coins in 11-4 and 2S in 11-3)</u><br />
 https://vimeo.com/1027696099<br />
-Death abusing in 11-3 is considerably faster than making the detour for the S-coin in 7-10 (~500f vs ~1100f) and also faster than collecting a second S in 17-1 by death abuse (~650f).<br />
+Death abusing in 11-3 is considerably faster than making the detour for the S-coin in 7-10 (~500f vs ~1100f) and also faster than collecting a second S in 17-1 by death abuse (~600f).<br />
 Total: ~4250f +3 mighty coins<br /><br />
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 https://vimeo.com/1027035970 (7-10)<br />
 https://vimeo.com/1027692678 (17-1)<br />
-~2700f (exit the pyramid) +2 mighty coins, 2x650f (17-1) and ~1100f +2 mighty coins (7-10)<br />
+~2700f (exit the pyramid) +2 mighty coins, 2x600f (17-1) and ~1100f +2 mighty coins (7-10)<br />
-Total: ~5100f +4 mighty coins<br /><br />
+Total: ~5000f +4 mighty coins<br /><br />
 <u>6 - Extra life?</u><br />