Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas/Game Mechanics and Glitches/Duping - Revision history

Tduva: /* Addendum */

2016-09-25T20:18:00Z

‎Addendum

Tduva: /* Phonecall starting Setup Mission */

2016-06-24T07:14:54Z

‎Phonecall starting Setup Mission

Tduva: /* Phonecall Management */

2016-05-04T21:50:05Z

‎Phonecall Management

Tduva: /* San Fierro */

2016-05-04T21:48:48Z

‎San Fierro

Tduva: /* San Fierro */

2016-05-04T21:47:28Z

‎San Fierro

Tduva: /* Note on Blood Bowl & Bike School */ Added info about dying after Blood Bowl and parachute issue

2016-02-22T11:28:06Z

‎Note on Blood Bowl & Bike School: Added info about dying after Blood Bowl and parachute issue

Tduva: /* San Fierro */ More clarification

2016-01-13T03:12:34Z

‎San Fierro: More clarification

Tduva: /* San Fierro */

2016-01-13T03:06:05Z

‎San Fierro

Tduva at 14:34, 29 December 2015

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Tduva at 05:59, 29 December 2015

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 ==Addendum==
 ===Mission Starter Thread Example===
 The following is an example of a thread in the mission script that is responsible for starting missions, in this case the Bike School mission. It checks a few prerequisites like if the player is on a mission and is in the mission marker, and then starts the mission. This is a rather simple example, other threads can e.g. decide which of several different missions of the same group to start. In addition, some threads will stop when all missions they can start are completed, however in this example it will run indefinitely, since Bike School can be repeated how often the player wants.

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 ===Phonecall starting Setup Mission===
-As mentioned before, some missions don't set $OM=1 immediately when started, allowing for a phonecall to be received after starting the mission. These missions include:
+As mentioned before, some missions don't set ONMISSION=1 immediately when started, allowing for a phonecall to be received after starting the mission. These missions include:
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 | ''Not possible, you have to hold the call before exiting the mission''
 | Have to wait 30s inside the mission for it to fail, failing it by dying doesn't seem to work. Gives SMG, setting ammo after the timer runs out to what you had before (but only the SMG ammo you had before, so if you had e.g. Uzi you are left with no ammo, just an empty SMG, which is actually good if you use a bike while holding the phonecall).
 |}
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 * '''Quarry-style''' has a check delay of '''0ms''', which means the mission triggers immediately as you enter the marker. So if you are parked next to the Quarry marker, with a call ready to ring as you exit the car, the mission will trigger as soon as you are on foot, with the call taking a bit longer and ringing a few milliseconds after during the fade. So the only thing you have to be careful about is that the call is already ready as you leave your car into the Quarry marker.
 ** An exception where additional care is required are low-priority calls (Catalina), which have a 1000ms check delay, so they can take longer than the fade to trigger, so Pausebuffering is advised (see explanation below).
-* '''Trucking-style''' has a '''250ms''' check delay, with phonecalls having a check delay ranging between 90ms and 1000ms (depending on which call thread it is part of), which means if you were to exit a vehicle directly into the marker with a call ready, there is a good chance that the phone will ring before the mission is triggered, the ringing setting $OM=1, thus preventing you from starting the mission (in which case you would have to cancel the call and try again). With this type of mission, you have to time it so that you enter the marker ''before'' the call is ready, so you receive it just after triggering the mission. Pausebuffering can make the timing a bit easier (see explanation below).
+* '''Trucking-style''' has a '''250ms''' check delay, with phonecalls having a check delay ranging between 90ms and 1000ms (depending on which call thread it is part of), which means if you were to exit a vehicle directly into the marker with a call ready, there is a good chance that the phone will ring before the mission is triggered, the ringing setting ONMISSION=1, thus preventing you from starting the mission (in which case you would have to cancel the call and try again). With this type of mission, you have to time it so that you enter the marker ''before'' the call is ready, so you receive it just after triggering the mission. Pausebuffering can make the timing a bit easier (see explanation below).
 ** Low-priority phonecalls (e.g. Catalina calls) have a 1000ms check delay, which means there is a decent chance that you can do Quarry-style phonecall starting even with Trucking or similiar missions, however this should only be used as a backup (e.g. if you know that you can't make it in time anymore and would have to wait 60s otherwise), since there is no guarantee that it will work.
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 ====Note on Blood Bowl & Bike School====
-After you phonecall started the mission, you are inside the mission and can't freely move around. For Blood Bowl you are in an interior and Bike School in the menu, so you can only fail the mission immediately. Hold the call before exiting the mission to get an $OM=0 call you can dupe with.
+After you phonecall started the mission, you are inside the mission and can't freely move around. For Blood Bowl you are in an interior and Bike School in the menu, so you can only fail the mission immediately. Hold the call before exiting the mission to get an ONMISSION=0 call you can dupe with.
-Blood bowl is interesting in that regard because when you call start the mission, you are put inside an interior, which cancels the call, setting $OM=0 while inside the Stadium. After waiting for the mission timer to run out and the mission to fail, the next high-priority call will already be ready again, but not ringing yet, because you're in an interior. Once the mission fails, it puts you outside, the phone rings and then a fraction of a second later the mission will finish cleaning up and set $OM=0 again, with the phone still ringing, now being an $OM=0 call you can dupe with.
+Blood bowl is interesting in that regard because when you call start the mission, you are put inside an interior, which cancels the call, setting ONMISSION=0 while inside the Stadium. After waiting for the mission timer to run out and the mission to fail, the next high-priority call will already be ready again, but not ringing yet, because you're in an interior. Once the mission fails, it puts you outside, the phone rings and then a fraction of a second later the mission will finish cleaning up and set ONMISSION=0 again, with the phone still ringing, now being an ONMISSION=0 call you can dupe with.
 Another side effect of the Blood Bowl duping setup is that you get to '''keep your weapons when dying once''' after that. The mission lets your keep your weapons when you die inside the mission, however doing the duping setup doesn't properly clear up that "keep your weapons when dying" flag, which means you can die once after Blood Bowl and still keep all your weapons (but you still get warped to a hospital as usual). ''Important:'' If you die and keep your weapons while having a parachute, that parachute will not actually work despite still being equipped (the parachute doesn't load properly and you will die when hitting the ground). You can save/reload (no need to restart the game) to fix the parachute. Simply picking up another parachute doesn't appear to work, the parachute still doesn't open properly. This is especially important for [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas/Missions#Stowaway|Stowaway]] where you require a working parachute.

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 #* It probably makes sense to answer it, because it's kind of random when you will get it between the other calls
 # Don't answer any calls, except one after Jizzy to unlock Woozie missions
 #* Usually the Woozie call is answered right before where the Woozie mission will appear
 # Start answering calls after the dupes, don't answer the Catalina call
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 # Answer one call after Monster to unlock Highjack
 # Don't answer any more calls until after the Verdant Meadows dupe
 ==Addendum==

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 # Answer one call after Monster to unlock Highjack
 # Don't answer any more calls until after the Verdant Meadows dupe
 ==Addendum==

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 You have to make sure not to answer the Catalina call, which is required to dupe Highjack. You can tell if you answered the Zero and Jethro calls already by looking at the blips on the minimap (outside missions/calls of course). If you did answer both already, you shouldn't answer any other calls until after Yay-Ka-Boom-Boom, where you take one call to unlock Monster.
-If you want to make ''really'' sure to not answer the Catalina call, you shouldn't answer any call when it's been more than 60s since the last call/mission. For one, this ensures that you don't accidentally answer another call after already answering all high-priority ones, but there is also the (very low) chance that the Catalina call will ring even if you still do have high-priority (15s) calls (''if'' the phone timer is at more than 60s).
+If you want to make ''really'' sure to not answer the Catalina call, you shouldn't answer any call when it's been more than 60s since the last call/mission. For one, this ensures that you don't accidentally answer another call after already answering all high-priority ones, but there is also the (very low) chance that the Catalina call will ring even if you still do have high-priority (15s) calls (''if'' the phone timer is at more than 60s). The Catalina call unlocks after completing Ran Fa Li. On the way to Monster taking the boat automatically gives you an opportunity to answer the Monster call way before 60s have passed since finishing Yay Ka-Boom-Boom.
 There is also the Truth call from "Are You Going To San Fierro?", which you can choose to skip and start the mission anyway. However you don't really need it and since it's in another thread it's kind of random when you get it. So it probably makes more sense to just get it out of the way and take it before the mission, as intended.

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	Blood bowl is interesting in that regard because when you call start the mission, you are put inside an interior, which cancels the call, setting $OM=0 while inside the Stadium. After waiting for the mission timer to run out and the mission to fail, the next high-priority call will already be ready again, but not ringing yet, because you're in an interior. Once the mission fails, it puts you outside, the phone rings and then a fraction of a second later the mission will finish cleaning up and set $OM=0 again, with the phone still ringing, now being an $OM=0 call you can dupe with.		Blood bowl is interesting in that regard because when you call start the mission, you are put inside an interior, which cancels the call, setting $OM=0 while inside the Stadium. After waiting for the mission timer to run out and the mission to fail, the next high-priority call will already be ready again, but not ringing yet, because you're in an interior. Once the mission fails, it puts you outside, the phone rings and then a fraction of a second later the mission will finish cleaning up and set $OM=0 again, with the phone still ringing, now being an $OM=0 call you can dupe with.
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		+	Another side effect of the Blood Bowl duping setup is that you get to '''keep your weapons when dying once''' after that. The mission lets your keep your weapons when you die inside the mission, however doing the duping setup doesn't properly clear up that "keep your weapons when dying" flag, which means you can die once after Blood Bowl and still keep all your weapons (but you still get warped to a hospital as usual). ''Important:'' If you die and keep your weapons while having a parachute, that parachute will not actually work despite still being equipped (the parachute doesn't load properly and you will die when hitting the ground). You can save/reload (no need to restart the game) to fix the parachute. Simply picking up another parachute doesn't appear to work, the parachute still doesn't open properly. This is especially important for [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas/Missions#Stowaway\|Stowaway]] where you require a working parachute.

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	You have to make sure not to answer the Catalina call, which is required to dupe Highjack. You can tell if you answered the Zero and Jethro calls already by looking at the blips on the minimap (outside missions/calls of course). If you did answer both already, you shouldn't answer any other calls until after Yay-Ka-Boom-Boom, where you take one call to unlock Monster.		You have to make sure not to answer the Catalina call, which is required to dupe Highjack. You can tell if you answered the Zero and Jethro calls already by looking at the blips on the minimap (outside missions/calls of course). If you did answer both already, you shouldn't answer any other calls until after Yay-Ka-Boom-Boom, where you take one call to unlock Monster.
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		+	If you want to make ''really'' sure to not answer the Catalina call, you shouldn't answer any call when it's been more than 60s since the last call/mission. For one, this ensures that you don't accidentally answer another call after already answering all high-priority ones, but there is also the (very low) chance that the Catalina call will ring even if you still do have high-priority (15s) calls (''if'' the phone timer is at more than 60s).

	There is also the Truth call from "Are You Going To San Fierro?", which you can choose to skip and start the mission anyway. However you don't really need it and since it's in another thread it's kind of random when you get it. So it probably makes more sense to just get it out of the way and take it before the mission, as intended.		There is also the Truth call from "Are You Going To San Fierro?", which you can choose to skip and start the mission anyway. However you don't really need it and since it's in another thread it's kind of random when you get it. So it probably makes more sense to just get it out of the way and take it before the mission, as intended.

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 ==Phonecall Management==
 ===San Fierro===
 The Zero call is unlocked after "Wear Flowers In Your Hair" and the Jethro (Driving School) call after "Deconstruction". Both of these calls you don't have to answer until the Monster mission, so they can be used for duping. At first, you shouldn't answer any calls in San Fierro, except for the one that unlocks the Woozie missions, which gets unlocked after finishing "Jizzy". None of the dupes in San Fierro (if done correctly) use up phonecalls, but it's just safer to have 2 calls and it shouldn't make any difference time-wise.
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 So the recommended approach is:
-# Remember if you took the Truth call before "Are You Going To San Fierro?"
+# Remember if you answered the Truth call before "Are You Going To San Fierro?"
 # Don't answer any calls, except one after Jizzy to unlock Woozie missions
-#* Normally you would take that call right before where the Woozie mission will appear
+#* Usually the Woozie call is answered right before where the Woozie mission will appear
 # Start answering calls after the dupes, don't answer the Catalina call
 #* Check the blips on the minimap to double-check which ones you already answered

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 * [[Grand_Theft_Auto:_San_Andreas/Game_Mechanics_and_Glitches/Phonecalls|Phonecalls]]
 * [[Grand_Theft_Auto:_San_Andreas/Missions/Chains|Mission Chains]]
 ==How Duping works==

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	{{GTASA Duping PC}}		{{GTASA Duping PC}}
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	Duping is the duplication of missions, which means starting several instances of the same mission on top of eachother.		Duping is the duplication of missions, which means starting several instances of the same mission on top of eachother.