Addams Family (NES)/Any% - Revision history

Ktwo at 21:43, 19 March 2023

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Ktwo: /* Morticia (end) */

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‎Morticia (end)

Ktwo: /* Money */

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‎Money

Ktwo: /* Quest items */

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‎Quest items

Ktwo: /* Quest items */

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‎Quest items

Ktwo: /* Tree */

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‎Tree

Ktwo: /* Kitchen area */

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‎Kitchen area

Ktwo: /* Pugsley */

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‎Pugsley

Ktwo: /* Kitchen area */

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‎Kitchen area

Ktwo: /* Pugsley */

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‎Pugsley

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 [[File:Any% route.PNG ]]<br><br>
-About the "incentivized" dependencies:<br>
+About the "incentivized" dependencies:
 * Both the wooden key and the snorkel are found in rooms reached via the left landing. The wooden key is in the room further away and it's difficult to imagine a route, where it would make sense to first collect one of the items and then return again to the left landing to collect the other.
 * There will be a few seconds of a splash screen when picking up the wrench if Granny has already been saved. That is skipped completely by getting the wrench before going to Granny.

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 * It's worth familiarizing oneself with the [[Addams_Family_(NES)/Game_Mechanics_and_Techniques#Rowing_the_boat_on_the_secret_river|row mechanics]] on the secret river.
 * Note that there is a potential $100 surplus when following the route described here (one more $100 bill had easily been possible to collect on the secret river).
-* There is no RNG in Gomez' room, but Fester's usurper can easily get out of the pattern if Gomez jumps in the wrong places. This is easier to experience than to try to put down in writing.
+* There is no RNG in Gomez' room, but Fester's imposter can easily get out of the pattern if Gomez jumps in the wrong places. This is easier to experience than to try to put down in writing.

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 * Collecting a money bag in the gallery while death abusing requires precise movements for only a comparatively small overall gain (~half a second) compared to collecting the rightmost money bag while heading for the ballroom. It would require another level of optimization of the speedrun before a death abuse in the gallery should be considered.
 * If Thing is skipped, so are also two money bags along the route. The best candidates for replacing them are the top two ones in the blue bone room.
-* Assuming Thing is picked up, it's theoretically a close call between the top two bags in the blue bone room on one hand and the bag in Pugsley's room + the top right one in the attic. However, in practice it's likely going to be bigger execution losses in a RTA in the blue bone room than getting the Pugsley+attic bags. None of the alternatives require any impossible inputs to get the theory time, so it's in the end going to be what works best for the individual player.
+* Assuming Thing is picked up, it's theoretically a close call between the top two bags in the blue bone room on one hand and the bag in Fester's room + the top right one in the attic. However, in practice it's likely going to be bigger execution losses in a RTA in the blue bone room than getting the Fester+attic bags. None of the alternatives require any impossible inputs to get the theory time, so it's in the end going to be what works best for the individual player.
 <br>The second table lists all other money items (with a value <10k).
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 |-
 |The Garden
-|900
+|800
 |0
 |y
-|500+4x100
+|500+3x100
 |y
+|
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 |y
+|
 |-
 |The Attic
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 |'''60100'''
+|
-|'''60100'''
+|'''60000'''
+|
 |-

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 '''Orange route''' - Collecting Thing has a few benefits.
 #There are two money bags on the way to Thing that need to be replaced from elsewhere if Thing is not collected
-#By activating Thing in the freezer instead of tanking damage from the snowballs near Wednesday, time can be saved in the furnace by taking more damage. Not to mention that it can be challenging in a real-time speedrun to get through the freezer and the furnace on just one lifebar.
+#By activating Thing in the freezer instead of tanking damage from the snowballs near Wednesday, time can be saved in the furnace by taking more damage. Not to mention that it can be challenging (but possible!) in a real-time speedrun to get through the freezer and the furnace on just one lifebar.
 #There are 10 falling tiles on the roof that each need to be dodged, costing up to almost half a second each (and that's the theoretical limit - losses in real-time are going to be bigger). Other than the time loss, dodging the tiles can be a challenge in its own right and the birds dropping stones on Gomez will lead to additional loss of health, which can become a problem towards the end.

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 * After death abusing in the garden after picking up the bone, you'll be at the foot of the tree and it's logic to then use the occasion to enter the tree and collect the blue egg.
 * Letting Lurch play the left music manuscript early on would open up several shortcuts in the chain room. An idea could for example be to use the shortcut to the kitchen after giving Lurch the right music manuscript, which would be a faster way to get to the hallway than having to go through the gallery. The problem is that Lurch can't be summoned again until he has actually finished playing a music manuscript. So getting the left and right music manuscripts played one after the other would introduce a lot of downtime waiting for Lurch to finish the first one, without enough tasks to complete in the meantime. Without introducing additional trips back and forth to the library, the right music manuscript should therefore be used first as the pond needs to be done fairly early in the game.
-* Pugsley can be reached either via the chain room, which requires giving Lurch the right music manuscript, or by dropping down in Pugsley's room. Unless some major discovery is found on how to free Pugsley, the latter doesn't fit the item route (at all).
+* Pugsley can be reached either via the chain room, which requires giving Lurch the left music manuscript, or by dropping down in Pugsley's room. Unless some major discovery is found on how to free Pugsley, the latter doesn't fit the item route (at all).
 <br>The theoretically fastest route is indicated by violet arrows. By studying the item dependencies in the chart, there should only be three possibilities that are not immediately slower than the violet route (or simply incompatible).<br><br>

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 https://vimeo.com/750646057<br  />
 * It's possible to death abuse at the top of the green bone room to exit that room faster. However, the next death in the garden will be much slower because of waiting for the invincibility to wear off and the time it takes to deplete a full lifebar. Overall, it's clearly faster to not take a death in the green bone room.
 * If Gomez doesn't move far enough to the left at the start of the tree, the first bat has a tendency to get below Gomez resulting in bouncing off it too early.
 * There is some randomness to when the bats are triggered inside the tree (or is it pseudo-randomness, depending on player inputs?). The main variable with the route shown in the linked movie is whether the bat sitting above the platform reached at ~0:31 flies down before Gomez reaches that point (in the movie, it does). If yes, a bit less health will be lost at the top of the tree, which can be compensated by spending slightly more time on spikes (1 damage/frame). If the bat is still there, it will follow Gomez up and drain some health along the way. It's up to the player to practice both cases and to adjust accordingly to arrive at the top with as little health as possible.

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 ===Kitchen area===
 https://vimeo.com/750646088<br  />
 * Ducking as an icicle hits Gomez takes one health, while walking or jumping through an icicle takes two health. There is some randomness (or at least outside real-time player control) in the damage taken both in the freezer and in the kitchen, so having an additional health buffer can be useful. If health remains when approaching the right side of the furnace, it can be spent by more aggressive jumping through the fire on the way up to Granny. It can also be spent near the exit of the furnace by not stopping for the vertical bouncing flames (they will always drain Gomez' health a bit without any stopping).
 * There is one frame of possible movement in the furnace before the splash screen with Wednesday appears. So left should be held when entering the furnace.

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 * While the first and last use of Thing (in the freezer and end of the roof, respectively) are fairly intuitive (and even recommended by the manual!). The best use for Thing the second time is maybe not immediately apparent. It can be beneficial to use Thing a second time in the freezer or use it in the furnace. However, using Thing a second time on the roof is the fastest by some margin.
 * Just like the triggering of bats in the attic, bird spawns on the roof have not been fully described and are to be considered as RNG.
-* The position of the first bat in the chimney is important as it determines whether it can be bounced off for grabbing an additional money bag. How its position is determined when the chimney loads has not yet been described though. But from frame-by-frame testing, different timings for entering the chimney or even time-neutral actions such as adding small jumps on the roof can change the bats x-position when spawning. However, no pattern has been identified and with the current knowledge, it's to be considered as RNG.
+* The position of the first bat in the chimney is important as it determines whether it can be bounced off for grabbing an additional money bag. How its position is determined when the chimney loads has not yet been described though. But from frame-by-frame testing, different timings for entering the chimney or even time-neutral actions such as adding small jumps on the roof can change the bat's x-position when spawning. However, no pattern has been identified and with the current knowledge, it's to be considered as RNG.
-* The two other bats in the chimney can also be problematic by being in the way and forcing Gomez to bounce off them. The second can generally (always?) be avoided by moving Gomez more towards the right (obviously without skipping any of the money bags). This can result in taking some damage though. The third and last bat is often more difficult to reliably avoid. It's best to move as much left as possible (again, obviously without skipping any money bags) and hope that it slips by to the right. Some spawn positions seem difficult (impossible?) to avoid though.
+* The two other bats in the chimney can also be problematic by being in the way and forcing Gomez to bounce off them and lose time. The second can generally (always?) be avoided by moving Gomez more towards the right (obviously without skipping any of the money bags). This can result in taking some damage though. The third and last bat is often more difficult to reliably avoid. It's best to move as much left as possible (again, obviously without skipping any money bags) and hope that it slips by to the right. Some spawn positions seem difficult (impossible?) to avoid though.
-* A little over a second can be saved in the library by pulling the rope to call for Lurch before moving the stool. Calling Lurch first only leaves a small time window (5-6 frames of execution buffer) for grabbing the left music note and getting back in time to Lurch (if you're not there on time, a very costly splash screen with Lurch asking why Gomez rang will appear). Several non-trivial movments will eat the available buffer. As a result, the difficulty is roughly that of a "press a button on a specific frame" type of trick. The exact time gain depends on how far the stool is pushed to the left, but should be somewhere in the range 1.3-2s.
+* Around one and a half second can be saved in the library by pulling the rope to call Lurch before moving the stool. However, calling Lurch first only leaves a small time window (5-6 frames of execution buffer) for grabbing the left music note and getting back in time to Lurch (if you're not there on time, a very costly splash screen with Lurch asking why Gomez rang will appear). Several non-trivial movments will eat the available buffer. As a result, the difficulty is roughly that of a "press a button on a specific frame" type of trick. The exact time gain depends on how far the stool is pushed to the left, but should be somewhere in the range 1.3-2s.
-* Note that there is enough time to avoid taking damage in the study without losing any time overall.
+* Note that there is enough time to avoid taking damage in the study without losing any time overall as Lurch playing the music note is on a fixed timer.
 * There is one frame of possible movement in the garden before the splash screen with Pugsley appears. So one should hold right when exiting the chain room.

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 https://vimeo.com/750646088<br  />
 * Ducking as an icicle hits Gomez takes one health, while walking or jumping through an icicle takes two health. There is some randomness (or at least outside real-time player control) in the damage taken both in the freezer and in the kitchen, so having an additional health buffer can be useful. If health remains when approaching the right side of the furnace, it can be spent by more aggressive jumping through the fire on the way up to Granny. It can also be spent near the exit of the furnace by not stopping for the vertical bouncing flames (they will always drain Gomez' health a bit without any stopping).
 * Everything in the furnace runs on local timers when objects are loaded in memory (= about to appear on screen). Manipulating object positions without losing more time in the process is therefore generally not possible.
 * There is a very minor trick that can be done for the death abuse in the kitchen. By buffering a jump during the screen transition from the furnace, the first knife will start moving to the right earlier. Some care needs to be taken though. It's a very small time-save and there is a risk of jumping too high and overshoot the knife.

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 * The [[Addams_Family_(NES)/Game_Mechanics_and_Techniques#Flying_glitch|flying glitch]] is again used.
 * The exact game mechanics behind the triggering of bats in the attic have not yet been described and are with the current knowledge therefore to be considered as RNG.
-* While the first and last use of Thing (in the freezer and end of the roof, respectively) are fairly intuitive (and even recommended by the manual!). The best use for Thing the second time is maybe not immediately apparent though. It can be beneficial to use Thing a second time in the freezer or use it in the furnace. However, using Thing a second time on the roof is the fastest by some margin.
+* While the first and last use of Thing (in the freezer and end of the roof, respectively) are fairly intuitive (and even recommended by the manual!). The best use for Thing the second time is maybe not immediately apparent. It can be beneficial to use Thing a second time in the freezer or use it in the furnace. However, using Thing a second time on the roof is the fastest by some margin.
 * Just like the triggering of bats in the attic, bird spawns on the roof have not been fully described and are to be considered as RNG.
 * The position of the first bat in the chimney is important as it determines whether it can be bounced off for grabbing an additional money bag. How its position is determined when the chimney loads has not yet been described though. But from frame-by-frame testing, different timings for entering the chimney or even time-neutral actions such as adding small jumps on the roof can change the bats x-position when spawning. However, no pattern has been identified and with the current knowledge, it's to be considered as RNG.
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 * A little over a second can be saved in the library by pulling the rope to call for Lurch before moving the stool. Calling Lurch first only leaves a small time window (5-6 frames of execution buffer) for grabbing the left music note and getting back in time to Lurch (if you're not there on time, a very costly splash screen with Lurch asking why Gomez rang will appear). Several non-trivial movments will eat the available buffer. As a result, the difficulty is roughly that of a "press a button on a specific frame" type of trick. The exact time gain depends on how far the stool is pushed to the left, but should be somewhere in the range 1.3-2s.
 * Note that there is enough time to avoid taking damage in the study without losing any time overall.
 ===Morticia (end)===